New Avengers #1 *Spoilers*

[PupsOfWar]

You have a cool hat.

Also, cool baby.

[marvell2100]

Loved it. It was a great opening sequence by Hickman. This is going to be a great read.

[1derer]

NA does double shiop in January. But only in January.

Thanks for mentioning this. I really want to pull this book but I just couldn't justify two 3.99 double-shippers.

[dupersuper]

Oh... where to begin...

Careful: when he throws his mighty shield all those who chose to oppose his shield must yield.

[SilverZeal]

I don't know about you guys but I am sick and tired of Hickman using non-sensical words that will probably never be told. Really why make such a sopisticated use of a word when your only going to use it once.
Golden Paradox
Lost Tribe
Artificial man
The Prize
The wall
makers
the stars
Black swan
incursion
The great destroyer
"The wheel it is relentless" -what the hell is this supposed to mean?
The story wasn't that great either. But the art looked great.

:sigh:

Dats d whole point of a 1st issue...afterall it is not a 1-shot, ITS A SERIES.

Much better than Avengers 1.

Damn right...supa-banging fantabulous!

[SilverZeal]

Much better than Avengers 1+2. My ONLY complaint is the last page with Cap and his effing shield. That moron does not need to be anywhere near the Illuminati.

Fully agreed & sooooo co-signd!

[SilverZeal]

For those that are curious, I translated the Sumerian in this issue.

Page 10 :

"Ki Wassuru" : Ki means Earth and I'm presuming that "wassuru" is supposed to be "wussuru" which means abandon/release, which in the context would mean somthing like "abandon Earth".

"Sharur?" : Sharur means "supreme hunter". This may be referring to the one who's "appetite is endless". She's asking the soldier if he sees Sharur.

"Nuru ul sharur" : The soldier responds "nuru ul sharur". "Nuru" means light and "ul" is roughly translated as "the". "Nuru ul" means "see". The soldier is telling Black Swan that he sees the Supreme Hunter.

"Damiq" : Black Swan answers "damiq" which means "good".

Page 11

"Nadanu" : Black Swan tells Manifold "Nadanu" which means "give". She's telling him to give her the device.

Page 12

"Suharruru" : When Kimo greets her, Black Swan yells "suharruru" which means "be quiet".

"Rabum Alal" : which translates into "The Great Destroyer". He's the one that seems to be behind the "incursion" and whose "appetite is endless".

Page 13

"Ana simtum alaku" : After Black Panther tells her that he'd do more than try to stop her, she says "ana simtum alaku". "Simtum" by itself means fate and in the sentence Hickman is trying to convey, it ought to be "ana simtim alaku" which when translated word for word is something like "to go to ones fate" and means "die". Going by what Black Swan says next ("kill them"), she's either telling the Wakandans to die/go to their fate, or telling her soldiers to kill them.

Page 19

"Ana simtim alaku Ersetu" : We've already covered what "ana simtum alaku" means. "Ersetu" means Earth. She's saying "Die/Go to your fate, Earth".

Mad props to Hickman for including Sumerian. In my opinion Mesopotamian mythology is extremely under utilised in modern fiction.

Also, I'm sure someone's already mentioned this but I'm too lazy to scroll through the thread, so just incase no one has mentioned it, "Memento Mori", the sentence in the opening is latin for "remember your mortality".

Gr8 Loas...u r awesomeness, freakin gr8 translating.

Mad props.

[PupsOfWar]

I don't know about you guys but I am sick and tired of Hickman using non-sensical words that will probably never be told. Really why make such a sopisticated use of a word when your only going to use it once.
Golden Paradox
Lost Tribe
Artificial man
The Prize
The wall
makers
the stars
Black swan
incursion
The great destroyer
"The wheel it is relentless" -what the hell is this supposed to mean?

The things Black Swan dropped will probably be expounded upon.

The things the young Wakandans referenced probably will not be, or at least not all of them.

But using throwaway references for flavor is a tried-and-true part of sci-fi/fantasy world-building. It's almost more conspicuous when it doesn't happen.

[SilverZeal]

Ignoring all the detractor rhetoric, what am I seeing here?

I see the Black Panther being confronted by tech Wakandan Technology is ineffective to. I see a new race, with a stange agenda we are coming in the middle of, who can destroy a whole planet with a simple bomb. I see Wakandan tech being nullified, all from a ritual by 3 kids who think they are fulfilling some paper trail, making some obelisk functional and causing these aliens to be present and planet appear in the sky.

This saw the 3 kids killed and the planet destroyed. This is what has got the wind up on the Panther. He doesn't know what this is and he has to ask the Illuminati to Wakanda because it is that desperate a situation, T'Challa has to pray to the Goddess, and seek desperate measures from people he is uncomfortable with.

We don't yet know what the paper chase was with the 3 winners, and how important it was that that star chart appeared around the obelisk. Maybe there is some back story there that Hickman still has to show us. There is that prologue by Reed Richards saying that the earth solar system sun and Galaxy and Universe all ends, and he's okay with that. As soon as we get all the threads of this tied in together, we are going to get some insight into why all these facts make any sense.

I remember the tech the Black Panther used in the Initiative FF, and that there is more to the Wakandans than just a simple tradition about themselves. The fact that T'Challa recognizes the Sumerian Language, tells me he has far reaching connection to the old world before Noah where there may have been the 12th planet in existence. How this relates to the history if the Earth is going to be fascinating because lost history is one of my most enthusiastic wishes. Come on Jon Hickman. Give us something we've never seen before.

Just looking at this book in isolation, what we just saw was an interference in a task by the woman and the bomb. It wasn't supposed to happen, but the confluence of the paper chase in Wakanda and the obelisk, brought this nightmare to Wakanda, because the Obelisk is still there. We saw an innocent youthful process, spiral into a semi-mystical time shift, (because that Rhino came through a portal that appears to be an Africa somewhere else). Somehow, this prompted the Black Panther to sum up this incident as out of control. It's like something scratched a doorway to another dimension and it connected to the MU.

Fantabulously analytical review & we/SZ agree with it.

[SilverZeal]

What if T'Challa's rendering the majority of the vibranium inert set off the whole convergence/divergence of the universes? You know, string theory and waves and harmonics and stuff

Hmmm...u may hv a point afterall vibranium is a mineral material entirely focused on vibration & kinetic energy.

beginning/ending the fiery circle. Maybe the black swan event was Doomwar.

Not sure wat 2 mk of dat.

[Spidey Sense]

Black Panther carries the book well. He's written as a character you can empathize with.

[dogmonsta]

Looks to me its a alternate dimension Galactus and the lady is Silver Surfer...world eater?

[Juggernaut Punch]

Looks to me its a alternate dimension Galactus and the lady is Silver Surfer...world eater?

Nah, he's already said that it isn't an alternate Galactus and that Black Swan is a character we've never seen before.