Can somebody give me a list of Jason Todd's misdeeds (maybe with scans)?

[Buried Alien]

My favourite is when Bstman asks him to "hold off" some security guards so Jason responds my firing a shotgun at them, naturally . Forget the issue.

Use of the shotgun was Batman-approved, it must be said; Batman even thought about how proud he was of Jason's marksmanship skills (which Batman had taught Jason).

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[Mr. Holmes]

Pretty sure Morrison's Batman Incoporated aren't canon anymore. He's still writing in the pre52 universe with the new52 armour.

No that's just fan interpretation to make things seem better fit, but that's not official.

[darkseidpwns]

Pretty sure Morrison's Batman Incoporated aren't canon anymore. He's still writing in the pre52 universe with the new52 armour.

Snyder's Batman acknowledges the existence of Incorporated,we also saw Titus in the latest issue of INC.Just cause it doesn't have owls or Joker running around does not make it non canon,it's canon to both Pre and new 52.

[Retro315]

One of the reasons I would assume that fans did not take to him as Robin he was worse then Batman ever was Batman had limits Jason never had those limits something people couldn't accept for the Boy Wonder.

Kids and teenagers, and I guess the adult readers of the 1980s definitely never expected Robin to cross the heroism line - after all, in the 80s, even post-Crisis the more mature comics stuff was really, really new. Like ... not that many people really knew it was happening if they were just mainstream Batman or super-hero readers. Batman: Year One was recent, but The Killing Joke and Arkham Asylum wouldn't exist for a couple more years.

I'm a retrospective reader. I was born in '85 so having gone back and read all the Jason Todd Robin appearances, I can't separate the stories from the writers. Max Allan Collins created the second origin for Jase - stealing the tires off the Batmobile - to make him seem edgier, cooler, and to capitalize on the new parameters of Year One while moving him further away from Dick Grayson. But the intention to actually turn him into a Bad Robin came later - two years later, when Jim Starlin came onboard, after The Cult (where he was great, actually!). There were a full two years of Post-Crisis Jason being perfectly suitable for the cowl (if not quite as benignly "nice" as the pre-Crisis version of himself.)

So, bearing that in mind, a list of his missteps, and where they occurred (from memory).

1. Rushes in to face Two-Face the first time, because Two-Face ordered his father's death. Survives by luck, I believe.
2. Probably pushes Felipe Garzonas to his death. ("The Diplomat", shown above.)
3. Defies Batman's orders, going to the Middle-East to find his mother, who is one of three:
1. Lady Shiva (It's not - although they never got to play this angle and have Jason meet Cassandra, and that's a crime.)
2. Agent _____ (Can't remember her name; Israeli, Mossad agent. Pure insane comic book logic that two mother options are international operatives.)
3. Sheila Heywood, crooked U.N. soldier who is black marketing medical drugs to terrorists, she sells Jason out to Joker and is killed as a reward. Jason dies.
4. Not exactly Jason's misstep, but since he came back to life amnesiac he fell in with Talia al Ghul and was further trained by the League of Assassins to be a killer.
5. Shows back up in Gotham in elaborate ruse to mind-screw Bruce. Vanishes again.
6. Turns up for real, ready to make Bruce pay for letting him die. Begins putting all his Bat and Assassin skills to use killing ganglords and drug-dealers.
7. Impersonates Nightwing, kills criminals and besmirches Dick Grayson's good name.
8. Participates in "Countdown" weekly series - a capital offense in comic fans' eyes.
9. Beats the crap out of Tim Drake just because he doesn't like the kid who replaced him.
10. Impersonates Batman when Bruce goes missing/dies after Final Crisis, is a Batman who kills gangsters. Stabs Tim Drake in the torso. (Gets ass kicked by Grayson).
11. Kills two night watchmen at Gotham Hospital when he 'rescues' Scarlet. They could have been corrupt, but nothing indicates such.
12. Turns up again in a Red Hood persona with sidekick, in capes, mimicking 'Batman and Robin' and vowing to make them obsolete by actually killing criminals. Causes major escalation.
13. Captures Dick and Damian and nearly reveals their secret identities to the world before being arrested.
14. Is broken out of prison by interested parties from his still mostly unknown "Lost Years" and embarrasses Dick and Damian again.
15. Steals Dick Grayson's former best friends ... but has been on really good behavior lately and mostly only kills aliens or really, really, REALLY bad people.

The gist is, he goes around actually murdering gangsters, dealers and other criminals - yes, only the 'worst kind of people', but his loss to Dick and Damian made it perfectly clear why murdering vigilante-style will not fly - it only causes the worst kind of escalation imaginable and invites a cycle of killing, and more powerful enemies. Effective, yes. Noble, no.

[PdotDizzle]

AntiPatriot if your intrested in Jason Todd before the Red Hood check out my post a while back and the link.

http://forums.comicbookresources.com...phic-Novel-TPB

[batman_pwns]

Also the Millennium Batman issues, Legends, a Teen Titans arc or 2, the Adventures of Superman issue right before Action 600...

True, but I was just listing Batman/Detective Comics where Jason was the actual focal point of the story. I wasn't concerned with non-canon miniseries like The Cult, crossover events like Millennium and Legends, or guest appearances in other books like Teen Titans or Superman.

[Buried Alien]

Re: canon status of THE CULT.

It might no longer be canon in the New 52 timeline, but it was definitely part of the Post-COIE timeline. In A DEATH IN THE FAMILY, Bruce explicitly alludes to it when reflecting upon how he had never fully recovered his edge after his encounter with Deacon Blackfire (and attributed his poor management of Jason's situation to this lack of full recovery).

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[Conway]

Wasn't it just referenced in the current issues of Batman Inc?

Inc isn't in continuity, it just doesn't fit anymore. It has other people joining JL, it has Bruce being Batman for at least 12 years, and several other issues. DC likes to pretend it is, but the reference to Jason going crazy in Battle for the Cowl is just one more hole.

As for Jason's crimes, "Battle for the Cowl" did more to define the relationship between the 4 Robins than any other arc when it was cannon. In it, Jason kills a lot of criminals while wearing the Bat-Suit. He then shoots Damian through the heart while he was under Dick's protection. Alfred patches up Damian, while Tim dons the Bat-Suit to go looking for Jason. Big fight where Jason almost kills Catwoman, and stabs Tim in the chest with a rusty Batarang. Dick shows up as Batman kicks Jason's ass, and tosses him off the El-Train into the bay. Where he disappears until Red Hood. Tim gets mad that Dick chooses Damian to be his Robin, and leaves to become Red Robin.

Daniel's 'Tec run might have been awful, but "Battle for the Cowl" was impressive.

[Choppa]

Inc isn't in continuity, it just doesn't fit anymore. It has other people joining JL, it has Bruce being Batman for at least 12 years, and several other issues. DC likes to pretend it is, but the reference to Jason going crazy in Battle for the Cowl is just one more hole.

As for Jason's crimes, "Battle for the Cowl" did more to define the relationship between the 4 Robins than any other arc when it was cannon. In it, Jason kills a lot of criminals while wearing the Bat-Suit. He then shoots Damian through the heart while he was under Dick's protection. Alfred patches up Damian, while Tim dons the Bat-Suit to go looking for Jason. Big fight where Jason almost kills Catwoman, and stabs Tim in the chest with a rusty Batarang. Dick shows up as Batman kicks Jason's ass, and tosses him off the El-Train into the bay. Where he disappears until Red Hood. Tim gets mad that Dick chooses Damian to be his Robin, and leaves to become Red Robin.

Daniel's 'Tec run might have been awful, but "Battle for the Cowl" was impressive.

I'm pretty sure it was a reference to the Red Story from the first volume of Batman and Robin, not BftC.

Regardless, there have been numerous references to Inc in the other books as well, the current Inc status quo has adopted the New 52 changes, and it's never been officially stated that it's not canon.

[Conway]

I'm pretty sure it was a reference to the Red Story from the first volume of Batman and Robin, not BftC.

Regardless, there have been numerous references to Inc in the other books as well, the current Inc status quo has adopted the New 52 changes, and it's never been officially stated that it's not canon.

No in fact Didio has claimed just the opposite, that it is totally part of the continuity. It's just that Morrison hasn't cared about things like; 5 year timelines, no groups other than JL, no JL members other than the original 7, Alfred's eyes not being burned out, and that no one is mad at Jason in DCnU.

On the other hand the only thing that suggests it is part of the "New" continuity, is that it says "the NEW 52" on the cover.

[Conway]

10. Impersonates Batman when Bruce goes missing/dies after Final Crisis, is a Batman who kills gangsters. Stabs Tim Drake in the torso. (Gets ass kicked by Grayson).

You forgot to include "Shot Damian through the heart."

[godisawesome]

No in fact Didio has claimed just the opposite, that it is totally part of the continuity. It's just that Morrison hasn't cared about things like; 5 year timelines, no groups other than JL, no JL members other than the original 7, Alfred's eyes not being burned out, and that no one is mad at Jason in DCnU.

On the other hand the only thing that suggests it is part of the "New" continuity, is that it says "the NEW 52" on the cover.

And I applaud Morrison's decision to ignore that 5 year baloney. Hopefully everyone else does the same thing in afew years when we inevitably move past the rookie stage. Supposedly this last year passed in real time in story verse, so obviously the reboot was just a jumping on point idea, so it's going to be moved past shortly. And good riddance.

[dupersuper]

Re: canon status of THE CULT.

It might no longer be canon in the New 52 timeline, but it was definitely part of the Post-COIE timeline. In A DEATH IN THE FAMILY, Bruce explicitly alludes to it when reflecting upon how he had never fully recovered his edge after his encounter with Deacon Blackfire (and attributed his poor management of Jason's situation to this lack of full recovery).

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I think Amanda Waller also mentioned it in a JLI or Suicide Squad issue.