01-04-2013, 10:50 AM
But here's the thing... Spider-man is essentially Spider-man. With all of those good/bad storylines, he is essentially the same character that got introduced in Amazing Fantasy. Its all an illusion of change. Some characters have changed and evolved for the better, some for the worse. Here's my examples and why I would never want a reboot of the MU because you would lose all the evolution of many MU characters.
Originally Posted by David_99
Tony Stark, Ironman- went from selfish industrialist to playboy with a drinking problem and leading figure in the MU.
Scott Summers, Cyclops - went from naive teenager to battle hardened and super militant.
Charles Xavier - from saintly school teacher to mutant leader with questionable choices.
Rogue - Mixed up criminal youth to teacher and mentor of new mutants.
Those are just a handful of examples. Some characters have de-evolved or had their importanced minimized. Like Storm, she was a fearless, strong leader who is now wallpaper and a follower. You can argue back and forth about good/bad character development but I would argue that during the last 8 years the MU has been pushed to grow and change while simultaneously remaining true to their core. Tony Stark is still a futurist and inventor. Scott Summers is still a leader for mutants. Xavier is dead but he's recognized for the good and bad he's done. Rogue remains unsure about herself but also has found a new role in her life with the X-Men.
It's the illusion of change. New stories will continue to come. Characters will continue to evolve but stay the same. Folks were freaking out about Clone Saga, OMD, etc. but Peter remained the same at his core.
01-04-2013, 10:59 AM
Honestly...I would say no, as I wish to see Marvel at least TRY to resolve the mess they made within before pushing the big reset button.
01-04-2013, 08:29 PM
The Judi Dench "M" is shown replacing her predecessor when Bond is reinstated in Goldeneye. (He went rogue in the previous Licence to Kill.) She can't be the first "M" Bond meets in Casino Royale unless it's a new continuity. (Nor would it explain why Bond suddenly stops using his Walther and returns to that "damn Beretta" which almost got him killed prior to Dr. No.)
Originally Posted by Mister Mets
01-04-2013, 09:12 PM
Originally Posted by CMBMOOL
You have a point. They need to do something. The current direction isn't working: killing a major character every other month and following that with cross-over "events". Bad writing. Bad plotting. They have got to quit thinking that the next storyline has to be bigger than the one before. If every event is an event, then nothing is an event anymore. And they definitely need to get back to the "real world" feel that they had back in the 60's and 70's. There need to be less mutants, less super-powers, and less national and global catastrophes.
I really hope Disney takes over the comics line. I think they would put out better comics and put them out on time every month. Disney may be a big corporation, but they know about two things: keeping their properties recognizable and telling great stories.
01-04-2013, 10:02 PM
Well in all fairness there were like less than 150 mutants after house of M but I do agree they gotta stop with all the events and spread them out a bit more like one event every 5 to 10 years and quit with the whole kill off the hero just to bring them back less than a year or 2 later because it's getting really old. So to paraphrase a review of Paranormal Activity 4 from spill.com I have this to say about Superior Spiderman and the Death of heroes and the returns in general. They did it with Captain America they did it with Human torch,They did it with Elektra Thor and Ant Man( Scott Lang) DC did it with Superman, Batman, Green Lantern (Hal Jordon) Green Arrow and Robin (Jason Todd) now Marvel has started it again with Spider-man
Originally Posted by Heroid
I'm not going to tell how to spend your money I'm not going to tell you how to live your life but your being hornswoggled your being bamboozled your being tricked into reading same shit you've read before and your being ripped off and If can stop just one person from giving into a marketing stunt as old as time then I will feel like I've done my job.
01-04-2013, 10:50 PM
Yeah, I think it should be rebooted. Honestly, everything Marvel tried to fix their mistakes just piled more and more shit on. It would be cool to just start off fresh and show the new readers moments like the deaths of the Stacys and so on. They can redo things like the Clone Saga and do them right and also clear out old mistakes and modernize the franchise. They should cut like half of the characters they have now and lay down some basic rules from now on to avoid crapping up the universe again. Marvel Now doesn't cut it. It's still confusing as hell, having like 8 different series tied with the Avengers for example.
I'd also wish to propose something. Reboot it completely and start with brand new stories, whilst having a second set of issues concerning the backstory of the characters. For example there would be Amazing Spider-Man and Classic Spider-Man (just an example name). ASM would have brand new stories, CSM would retell major stuff like Uncle Ben's death, the creation of Spider-Man, Gwen Stacy's death, origins of multiple villains, and etc. Basically writing Spidey's new story in ASM while re-building his new and improved origins with CSM.
Things like Peter's robot parents, Harry dying and not being actually dead, Peter dying like 10 thousand times, the Aunt May actress thing, Sins Past and Brand New Day completely ignored. They can actually surprise readers by having them find out that a character they did not expect to be dead being dead for years in ASM, and retelling their death in CSM. It would be actually really cool and surprising.
01-04-2013, 10:54 PM
And for God's sake kill May already!
01-04-2013, 11:32 PM
If they do reboot Spider-Man completely could they just cut out the middle man and make him the son of Ben and May Parker? I kind of get why she was his aunt originally, it let her be old enough to be going senile while he was still a teenage, but honestly having read both the first 11 Spider-Man stories and Spider-Island back to back, May comes across as younger in the latter which must take place at least 10 years later in universe.
The one big twist I could see that you really couldn't use without doing a reboot is if you have Peter come clean about gain fantastic power to Ben and May right away. That would allow for a unique take on the Spider-Man mythos that actual requires either a reboot or an alternate universe. It would certainly avoid falling into the traps of being a retread or leaving most of the old stories in continuity anyway.
01-05-2013, 05:50 AM
And Just Eat Gilligan!!
Originally Posted by t00ny
01-05-2013, 06:12 AM
Officer Frank Castle
Movies got a reboot
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