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    Default Weekly Standard Tackles the Great Debate of Our Time: Spider-Man vs. Batman

    Spoilers: Match to Spidey.

    An interesting read, particularly if you're a fan of political theory. (You cannot imagine my surprise to see "Spider-Man vs. Batman" on the cover of this week's issue.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by E. Wilson View Post
    Spoilers: Match to Spidey.

    An interesting read, particularly if you're a fan of political theory. (You cannot imagine my surprise to see "Spider-Man vs. Batman" on the cover of this week's issue.)
    Sounds as though the writer is looking forward to 2014's The Arachnid Rises!
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    I've always kind of gone back and forth on this one.

    But as long as Batman doesn't hand over the Bat-cave to the Joker and asks him to take good care of Dick, Damian and Alfred...it's looking pretty good for Batman in 2013.
    "I came to the conclusion that the optimist thought everything good except the pessimist, and the pessimist thought everything bad, except himself." -- G.K. Chesterton

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    Quote Originally Posted by David Walton View Post
    I've always kind of gone back and forth on this one.

    But as long as Batman doesn't hand over the Bat-cave to the Joker and asks him to take good care of Dick, Damian and Alfred...it's looking pretty good for Batman in 2013.
    The writer also makes the essential mistake, I think, of believing Bruce Wayne is not trying to become a better man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Thompson View Post
    The writer also makes the essential mistake, I think, of believing Bruce Wayne is not trying to become a better man.
    I couldn't pull up the article, but that's just crazy. I hear that kind of talk all the time and it's frustrating. Bruce is crazy, Bruce is an ass...etc, etc.

    Truth is, Bruce is the sanest, most decent guy in the DCU...and he's also the guy you want around when your ass is on the line.

    Not a lot of people who ask firefighters if they're 'nice' people when they're getting pulled out of a burning building.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Walton View Post
    I couldn't pull up the article, but that's just crazy. I hear that kind of talk all the time and it's frustrating. Bruce is crazy, Bruce is an ass...etc, etc.

    Truth is, Bruce is the sanest, most decent guy in the DCU...and he's also the guy you want around when your ass is on the line.

    Not a lot of people who ask firefighters if they're 'nice' people when they're getting pulled out of a burning building.
    Writer also neglected to mention Peter whines about his situation whereas Bruce doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Thompson View Post
    Writer also neglected to mention Peter whines about his situation whereas Bruce doesn't.
    Which, at the end of the day, isn't a problem for me, either. I like them both. Batman is a hero who's more driven, and Pete's one who feels conflicted.

    And they're both awesome people who tend to do the right thing when the pressure's on!
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Walton View Post
    Which, at the end of the day, isn't a problem for me, either. I like them both. Batman is a hero who's more driven, and Pete's one who feels conflicted.

    And they're both awesome people who tend to do the right thing when the pressure's on!
    I actually believe they have more in common than most people realize.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim Thompson View Post
    I actually believe they have more in common than most people realize.
    Definitely. There's a lot of significance to when their tragedies occur, too-- Bruce reacts as a child determined to purge evil from the world, and Peter as a somewhat fashionably cynical teen who's really an idealist at heart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Walton View Post
    Definitely. There's a lot of significance to when their tragedies occur, too-- Bruce reacts as a child determined to purge evil from the world, and Peter as a somewhat fashionably cynical teen who's really an idealist at heart.
    Whereas Frank Castle reacted as an adult might.
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    I thought Castle reacted as a Goth teenager might.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CyberHubbs View Post
    I thought Castle reacted as a Goth teenager might.
    Most Goth teenagers lack that sort of spine, I find.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David Walton View Post
    I've always kind of gone back and forth on this one.

    But as long as Batman doesn't hand over the Bat-cave to the Joker and asks him to take good care of Dick, Damian and Alfred...it's looking pretty good for Batman in 2013.
    As long as Scott Snyder is writing Batman then it is looking good for Batman. I believe he said he had stories planned for awhile too. Copiel art is perfect too.

    I've been re-reading Slott's run the last few days and I'm surprised how much it has grown on me, but Batman right now is firing on all cylinders. It is much stronger than Spider-Man has been in since Stern/JRJR.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris S. View Post
    As long as Scott Snyder is writing Batman then it is looking good for Batman. I believe he said he had stories planned for awhile too.
    Synder's Batman has been very enjoyable, I agree. My favorite book right now.
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    Always glad to see someone argue that Spidey's better than Batman. Interesting interpretation of Spider-Man by way of Tom Sowell.

    The point about Arkham Asylum doesn't seem to be a distinction between the two heroes. Jails are essentially revolving doors in superhero universes, although that's largely because of the form dictates the continued recycling of existing villains.

    "The Man of Perfect Justice" is an effective lens to view Spidey through. I could see that as part of a Brevoort style manifesto.
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