Trial of Tony Stark: Attempted Murder

[Daniel Mengsk]

So does that mean it'll burn away this thread?

This thread works perfectly fine.

Tony created the P5, so in a way he's responsible for Charles death.

[SayOcean]

So does that mean it'll burn away this thread?

Lol this thread rocks!

[hysang]

the phoenix burns away what doesn't work.

Can the phoenix go to DC and take a look at Congress?

I KID, I KID.

[MASTER-OF-SUPRISE]

it's not your place to question the will of the phoenix. those planets were destroyed and likely for good reason.

So if the Pheonix murders my brother I shouldn't complain? I call B.S. It's this kind of reasoning that had purges in history.

[AcesX1X]

So if the Pheonix murders my brother I shouldn't complain? I call B.S. It's this kind of reasoning that had purges in history.

the phoenix is a natural force in the universe, with a solid directive. stop trying to apply human morals to something that is so far above them. that's why tony is in the hot seat right now.

[hysang]

The problem with your argument is that the phoenix seeks out a human host (or dupes one, as with the Jean Grey retcon).

Unlike Galactus or any of the other primal forces of the universe, it isn't an entity which acts merely on its own. It seeks out a suitable host, and that host usually IS susceptible to human morals (as the one duping Jean Grey killed itself in order to atone for the deaths of the entire D'Bari race). Galactus didn't feel remorse until Dr. Strange made him feel the deaths of all the innocents he'd consumed since the dawn of time, and that didn't stop Galactus from sating his hunger with the Skrull homeworld mere months later.

I agree with you that the Phoenix is a primal force of nature (hell, it's in the name...Phoenix _Force_). I DO think the writing has been inconsistent on just what the Phoenix does, which is why Logan has come off as a quisling, and worse, someone who basically dragged Jean's name through the mud. And then we have Cyclops, who was more a petulant child with cosmic power than a natural force.

The writers need to be much better going forward, because it honestly feels like they deviated from the Force's original nature. Maybe Chris Claremont should weigh in on it or something.

[TonyStark1012]

The problem with your argument is that the phoenix seeks out a human host (or dupes one, as with the Jean Grey retcon).

Unlike Galactus or any of the other primal forces of the universe, it isn't an entity which acts merely on its own. It seeks out a suitable host, and that host usually IS susceptible to human morals (as the one duping Jean Grey killed itself in order to atone for the deaths of the entire D'Bari race). Galactus didn't feel remorse until Dr. Strange made him feel the deaths of all the innocents he'd consumed since the dawn of time, and that didn't stop Galactus from sating his hunger with the Skrull homeworld mere months later.

I agree with you that the Phoenix is a primal force of nature (hell, it's in the name...Phoenix _Force_). I DO think the writing has been inconsistent on just what the Phoenix does, which is why Logan has come off as a quisling, and worse, someone who basically dragged Jean's name through the mud. And then we have Cyclops, who was more a petulant child with cosmic power than a natural force.

The writers need to be much better going forward, because it honestly feels like they deviated from the Force's original nature. Maybe Chris Claremont should weigh in on it or something.

Very well put.

[MASTER-OF-SUPRISE]

the phoenix is a natural force in the universe, with a solid directive. stop trying to apply human morals to something that is so far above them. that's why tony is in the hot seat right now.

What Directive? There's no reason given why the planets it destroyed didn't work. They actually seemed to work just fine. Who gave it the right to decide life or death? If I was the defense I would point out how much B.S this trial is. These are more than just human morals it's the right to live for all sentients. If you were in Tony's position at the time can you honestly say you would've done nothing to defend yourself if not your planet?

[AcesX1X]

What Directive? There's no reason given why the planets it destroyed didn't work. They actually seemed to work just fine. Who gave it the right to decide life or death?

whoever is in charge of the universe. what do you know about those planets? NOTHING.

[PlanetaryDevastation]

whoever is in charge of the universe. what do you know about those planets? NOTHING.

We know that not everyone on those planets deserve to die for some stupid and vague reason.

What Directive? There's no reason given why the planets it destroyed didn't work. They actually seemed to work just fine. Who gave it the right to decide life or death? If I was the defense I would point out how much B.S this trial is. These are more than just human morals it's the right to live for all sentients. If you were in Tony's position at the time can you honestly say you would've done nothing to defend yourself if not your planet?

Exactly. Everything the PF is okay until its your planet. Besides the universe programmed Tony to have a desire to defend himself and the ability to bulid. His attack was justified because the universe wanted him to by that logic.

[AcesX1X]

We know that not everyone on those planets deserve to die for some stupid and vague reason.

if the phoenix decided they did, then they did. simple as that.

[PlanetaryDevastation]

if the phoenix decided they did, then they did. simple as that.

No it not. That terrible logic. Who okayed it? Why? Just because he kills the universe if it dies does not give it the right to do whatever it wants.

[AcesX1X]

No it not. That terrible logic. Who okayed it? Why? Just because he kills the universe if it dies does not give it the right to do whatever it wants.

whoever is in charge of the universe. why do you keep repeating your questions. the phoenix has a job to do, and burning away genetic dead-ends is part of that job.

[PlanetaryDevastation]

whoever is in charge of the universe. why do you keep repeating your questions. the phoenix has a job to do, and burning away genetic dead-ends is part of that job.

There is no such thing as genetic dead ends. That just some psuedo-genetic nonsense used to justify killings. And even if they are they have the right to be dead ends as long as they are alive.

There is no evidence that anything gave it the duty to kill life. That's death domain.

[AcesX1X]

There is no such thing as genetic dead ends. That just some psuedo-genetic nonsense used to justify killings. And even if they are they have the right to be dead ends as long as they are alive.

why don't you leave that sort of decision-making to the experts.