the evolution of what Tactile Telekinesis means

[stephens2177]

It the beginning there was TTK,that was based on a aura surrounding supermans body,and given to superboy to mimic supermans physical powers of strength,flight,and invulnerability.

the current TTK sounds like this-
Your telekinetic abilities are such that you can feel the objects you manipulate.When you are manipulating a creature or object with*telekinesis, you may activate this power. If you do, you are able to feel objects you manipulate with that instance of*telekinesis.While this effect is active, you can sense texture, weight, temperature, and similar sensations from objects you manipulate. The impressions you receive are three-dimensional; you feel all sides of an object simultaneously. You can feel the interior of objects with an opening (such as a lock). Small objects inside a large, open container (such as a chest) can all be felt individually and simultaneously.The surface sensitivity of your skin or the density of sensory neurons does not limit you when you use this power. This gives you an incredible degree of sensitivity. You can feel individual particles of dust, microscopic variations in skin texture, and other tiny details. It is not necessary to exert pressure on an object to provide tactile sensations.

All star superman when lex gets supermans powers and see the world the way he does for the first time ,and says that he sees the entire electromagnetic sprectrum,and can see individual.atoms,and the main part of him.saying everything is connected,and if thays true,why cant the definition of "tactile" TK mean more.like it means he is connected to everything,and his TTK can perceive and manipulate it all,even.without making a solid connection,because even the air around us is made up.of.atoms he can see.

So could.this be how.he grows.in power?

[stephens2177]

SB has what looks like full TK,but maybe its not really full TK that he is using,but his TTK ,maybe his TTK can see and feel and understand things on the atomic level,and then move them anyway he wishes,even if he doesnt have a strong grasp on how his powers work.

[Ice Wolf]

In the beginning the Kesel and the Grummett created TTK and it was good.
The Marz and the David saw that it was good and used it too.
The Didio & Johns disagreed that it was good and tried to fix that which was not broken and it was bad.
The Lobdell was then tasked by the Didio & Johns, to fix the thing that they had broke.
The Lobdell could not and broke it in an entirely new direction which was also bad.

[stephens2177]

I dont see the new TTK as bad at all,if anythijg lobdell took it to the next level.
In the past we thought of a TTK sense now he has one.we thought of a way for him to use it like full TK,but still in keeping with the "tactile"name,now we have it,not to mention he can still do everything he did during the kesel years.
you might have problems with the book,how.the character is portrayed,but how.can you have a problem with how his powers are now?

if kon can perceive the world as subatomic.particles he will be able.to manipulate them,plain ol.TK is limited to basic energy control,kons TTK is so much more than that,he can.see.levels beyond what any other TK user can,which will.enable.him.to speed up,slow down,split,or combine things on levesl other TK users cant reach.

[Superlad93]

Where did you get that description of Superboy's current TTK? Did u make it up or was it from a book?

[stk]

There has been an evolution in Superboy's powers. Or at least a shift. But there is no evolution in what "Tactile Telekinesis" means. It only means one thing. Telekinesis based on touch.

If writers use it differently, it just means they don't understand the concept, not that the meaning has changed.

[stephens2177]

Where did you get that description of Superboy's current TTK? Did u make it up or was it from a book?

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sourc...q0xUFBQMdtdeUA
This is the site i got it from,i was randomly looking up anything TTK related and saw this,and it sounded like howbhe uses it now.

[Superlad93]

Oh ok, I see.

[stephens2177]

There has been an evolution in Superboy's powers. Or at least a shift. But there is no evolution in what "Tactile Telekinesis" means. It only means one thing. Telekinesis based on touch.

If writers use it differently, it just means they don't understand the concept, not that the meaning has changed.

This is the definition of tactile telekinesis- Tactile Telekinesis: Where the user has to be in physical contact with an object to be able to move it telekinetically. Other uses include focusing it inward increasing ones*physical traits, while simulating*Invulnerability*via skin-layer*Barrier.my point is this is imo a basic low level form of the power,and*it may evolve to the point that a Telekinetic can control anything at a subatomic level,is the power at its most powerful,and i see SB now moving in that direction.

I dont see this any different than superman becoming more powerful over time,the only difference in the two is supermans powers increase inward,and kons increase outward,as in superman gets physically stronger,while kon can manipulate things better.

SB senses Pandora,sensed Kiva coming into the club,could breakdown a differiante the chemicals in his alcohlic drink,just to name a few things,that make him able to sense things beyond the normal sensory ability of humans,imo he can sense on a atomic level as they come into contact with other things,even the air itself.

Im not saying he should be able to rearrange molecules likefirestorm,but still manipulate them,same as he would manipulate a large object(pushing,pulling,disassembling,freezing,or speeding up) ,and the fact he can see things with his TTK is the first step toward this.this is how he burned the christmas tree,he sped up the molecules either of the tree or of the air around it.

I also dont think this makes him more powerful than superman,cause superman can do the same things SB can do,just only to himself.

This isnt the first time someone as spoken of TTK like this,years ago i remember ppl on the web talking about his TTK connecting to everything,cause everything is connected,also how he could get "kryptonian" like powers,like heat ,x ray,microscopic vision.also there was talk about how he could reach out with his TTK and see everything,so nothing im saying here is new,just much closer now to what the nuSB can do than ever before.

"tactile" in TTK does limit it,it actually makes it limitless,it changes the user from a normal TK user,that uses their TK for blunt uses,big or small,to a TK user who can.control the world around him.

[Superlad93]

Don't really agree much with what you're saying but I just wanted to say that in issue #1 of Superboy the part where you say he "senses Pandora" is a bit incorrect because all he says is "there is someone else, too. No some.....thing". This was more than likely speaking of Templar who is also seen on the roof. As we know Templar is more than human--this was actually part of his story (being a former Ravenger). Superboy likely sensed his abnormality but didn't know what to make of it.

Pandora has never ever been acknowledged in any of the new 52 # 1s as far as I'm aware.

So the feat you had for Superboy still stands--but just change it to "sensing Templar and his abnormality"

[stephens2177]

Don't really agree much with what you're saying but I just wanted to say that in issue #1 of Superboy the part where you say he "senses Pandora" is a bit incorrect because all he says is "there is someone else, too. No some.....thing". This was more than likely speaking of Templar who is also seen on the roof. As we know Templar is more than human--this was actually part of his story (being a former Ravenger). Superboy likely sensed his abnormality but didn't know what to make of it.

Pandora has never ever been acknowledged in any of the new 52 # 1s as far as I'm aware.

So the feat you had for Superboy still stands--but just change it to "sensing Templar and his abnormality"

i knew when i wrote that you would say something,cause you did awhile ago also,but if you remember SB calls templar by ne,like he knew him.somehow,thats not what you do if you dont know them,like he seemed to not know who he was sensing in the issue.

what dont you agree with about his TTK?

[Superlad93]

i knew when i wrote that you would say something,cause you did awhile ago also,but if you remember SB calls templar by ne,like he knew him.somehow,thats not what you do if you dont know them,like he seemed to not know who he was sensing in the issue.

what dont you agree with about his TTK?

I could argue that he just heard Templars name being said through the glass (like he said) but seeing as it's Lobdell and I've grown more familiar with his writing style I could agree that he did in fact feel Pandora in some way. I see it as Lobdell acknowledging her as this DC inside joke (if you read flashpoint) but it has no weight in the story or anything like that. Just Lobdell having fun.

Also I guess I don't really disagree with you as much as I'm just trying not to jump to concussions with everything.

Btw (off topic) did you read today's issue of Superman? It was the best!! Superboy had some time in the issue but he literally paled in comparison to Superman and Lex. He was actually amazed by the level that both these guys operate on.

But I like him the most in this issue oddly enough. Not cuz he was weak but because he came off as just an honest kid, and I like that.

[stephens2177]

I could argue that he just heard Templars name being said through the glass (like he said) but seeing as it's Lobdell and I've grown more familiar with his writing style I could agree that he did in fact feel Pandora in some way. I see it as Lobdell acknowledging her as this DC inside joke (if you read flashpoint) but it has no weight in the story or anything like that. Just Lobdell having fun.

Also I guess I don't really disagree with you as much as I'm just trying not to jump to concussions with everything.

Btw (off topic) did you read today's issue of Superman? It was the best!! Superboy had some time in the issue but he literally paled in comparison to Superman and Lex. He was actually amazed by the level that both these guys operate on.

But I like him the most in this issue oddly enough. Not cuz he was weak but because he came off as just an honest kid, and I like that.

well he notices it before the time where he hears through the glass,i mean really his TTK should be able.to.sense her,it isenses things on many different levels.

Hey me and you like SBs who.get knocked around,and keep coming back,and a over powered SB might kill that part of the character,but i dont see that a problem how they set up the power structure between kon.and his adversaries,he can clearly handle easily most meta powered beings,but when he gets anywhere close to superman level of villian he will have tons of problems,not to mention how.his power works,guys like tim and rose can give him.problems now also.

yes i read issue 15 it was awesome,ive been sitting back and letting all.you talk about it on the other threads,i just want to enjoy it.as for SB in the issue he came off like a actual kid,not stuck.in."robot boy talk" or "intense" talk like he does in his own book.i liked how superman treated him like a lil.brother,one that he messes with sometimes,which older brothers do.to younger ones sometimes.lex was insanely awesome here,loved how he talked to kon throughout the book,imo he knows everything about kons creation and donors,and definatly think.he is one of them,i love going back and rereading the lil remarks he makes toward SB.

Im.sure some.here like SB in supermans suit,and yeah its cool,but i want him back.to his black.and.red suit,and for sure using his TTK again,we dont need SB to be Invincible,we need him to be the psionic superman.

One thing about the reboot i love is that kons potential is now open and almost limitless,i mean his character is no longer shoehorned and boxed into a corner,and his powers could easily make him the most powerful teen on the planet,and i want that to scare the shit out of ppl in the DCU.

[Superlad93]

Yup the issue was amazing and the only place that I can actually enjoy a well written Superboy. The interaction with the three was spot on.

At this point I nearly don't even care about his TTK (yeah I mean it) it just hasn't peaked my interest at all because he's stuck trying to be a TK user and a Super person and it feels clunky to me......till this last issue of Superman that is.

The armor has essentially pushed down and condensed his TK so that more closely resembles physical powers. I don't think he can lift things from a distance anymore. Now if they were to just return his TK senses to him I would be onboard with his powers.

The real interesting part about this Superboy for me is his senses and how the link him to the world in an new and never before seen way. I remember reading the 1st issue and Superboy could make out Red's emotions just from her touch! That's nuts! Do you realize how much character and story potential that brings!?!?

Also how upset Superboy was about his senses being gone. He almost would have taken death over not having his senses. I think that's so cool and original.

[stephens2177]

Yup the issue was amazing and the only place that I can actually enjoy a well written Superboy. The interaction with the three was spot on.

At this point I nearly don't even care about his TTK (yeah I mean it) it just hasn't peaked my interest at all because he's stuck trying to be a TK user and a Super person and it feels clunky to me......till this last issue of Superman that is.

The armor has essentially pushed down and condensed his TK so that more closely resembles physical powers. I don't think he can lift things from a distance anymore. Now if they were to just return his TK senses to him I would be onboard with his powers.

The real interesting part about this Superboy for me is his senses and how the link him to the world in an new and never before seen way. I remember reading the 1st issue and Superboy could make out Red's emotions just from her touch! That's nuts! Do you realize how much character and story potential that brings!?!?

Also how upset Superboy was about his senses being gone. He almost would have taken death over not having his senses. I think that's so cool and original.

Is senses are apart of his TTK,so you cant have him be stuck inthe armor,with his TTK only mimicking physical powers and still having his senses,they are gone while in the armor.yes he looks cool in th e armor,but he also looks cool.in his black suit.

believe me i know.how.cool.his sensory ability,thats how he takes his TK and.makes it so damn powerful,unlike other TK usershe can feel.and see everything,and touching everything is now.possible.regular TK users might be able.to.push air around,but not effect the diffeent molecules kf that air,or send TK through jt,or feel or see the difference molecules.

he read fairchilds aura,like he read kivas evil aura in.the club,everything is connected,and everything moves and effects everything.