The Falcon: Why is he around?

[DaveTVS]

He fits in with other uselessly-powered Avengers like Hawkeye just fine. It's not like he's glaringly out of place.

[GreenComixEnvy]

It's mentioned here (along with Mordo, Fin Fang Foom, and Korvac)

http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2152108.html

lol
this type of thing never seems to make me not laugh.

[manos]

I find he fits better with the Avengers better than Black Widow. She feels misplaced in the genre. She works better in the spy genre.

It's mentioned here (along with Mordo, Fin Fang Foom, and Korvac)

http://scans-daily.dreamwidth.org/2152108.html

Never did care for her in Marvel she seems better suited in a Marvel spoof title.

[NamorsTrident]

Underdog should pull through Spiderman Vs Scoprion basic bad guy with more powers than the heros. But non powered should only beat power houses by chance luck. Like when Cap berat Thor by keeping him away from his hammer making him change into Don Blake. The Wrecking Crew should beat Sam and Bucky 9 out of 10 times. The book gave you the 10th time.

And Yet Spiderman Faces guy's like Electro and Sandman every other day and beats them all the time. Both Characters extremely outside of his weight class. Celtic your argument in this particular case in which you are presenting it is invalid.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

And Yet Spiderman Faces guy's like Electro and Sandman every other day and beats them all the time. Both Characters extremely outside of his weight class. Celtic your argument in this particular case in which you are presenting it is invalid.

No they aren't. Definitely not compared to two peak humans vs Four Hulk level villains. And somehow, the two peak humans were able to physically hurt said Hulk level villains.

[XPac]

And Yet Spiderman Faces guy's like Electro and Sandman every other day and beats them all the time. Both Characters extremely outside of his weight class. Celtic your argument in this particular case in which you are presenting it is invalid.

Really, it depends how it's done.

Spider-Man beating Sandman by punching him out doesn't work (though he should be able to punch out Electro). Spider-Man beating Sandman by taking advantage of his natural weakness to things like water works just fine.

There's always a way to sell a weaker character beating a stronger one... it's just a matter of the writer doing a good enough job selling it. That's the difference between good writing and bad. I don't recall the specific fight between Falcon/Bucky and the Crew, so I can't really judge how well the writer handled it. If it in anyway involved Falcon or Bucky knocking out the crew with kicks or punches or whatever, then I think it's fair to argue they were jobbed as as they theoretically shouldn't be able to physically hurt let alone beat them. But if they somehow someway managed to outsmart them and beat them, that's hardly outside the realm of possibility. It just depends HOW it was done.

[NamorsTrident]

No they aren't. Definitely not compared to two peak humans vs Four Hulk level villains. And somehow, the two peak humans were able to physically hurt said Hulk level villains.

Elector was at one point at the same power level as Magneto back in his prime. So yeah I would say they are.

[NamorsTrident]

Really, it depends how it's done.

Spider-Man beating Sandman by punching him out doesn't work (though he should be able to punch out Electro). Spider-Man beating Sandman by taking advantage of his natural weakness to things like water works just fine.

There's always a way to sell a weaker character beating a stronger one... it's just a matter of the writer doing a good enough job selling it. That's the difference between good writing and bad. I don't recall the specific fight between Falcon/Bucky and the Crew, so I can't really judge how well the writer handled it. If it in anyway involved Falcon or Bucky knocking out the crew with kicks or punches or whatever, then I think it's fair to argue they were jobbed as as they theoretically shouldn't be able to physically hurt let alone beat them. But if they somehow someway managed to outsmart them and beat them, that's hardly outside the realm of possibility. It just depends HOW it was done.

Exactly. And this is what I have been saying pretty much my last several post.

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Elector was at one point at the same power level as Magneto back in his prime. So yeah I would say they are.

And you'd be wrong, because of Spidey's intelligence. That would be enough to keep up with Electro, and Sandman, and Hydro Man. Raw power versus versatility. All three have exploitable weaknesses. It's what helps the FF against extremely powerful foes too, same with Black Panther.

Falcon and Bucky don't have the same resources those guys do.

[NamorsTrident]

And you'd be wrong, because of Spidey's intelligence. That would be enough to keep up with Electro, and Sandman, and Hydro Man. Raw power versus versatility. All three have exploitable weaknesses. It's what helps the FF against extremely powerful foes too, same with Black Panther.

Falcon and Bucky don't have the same resources those guys do.

Falcon and Bucky were both trained by the greatest strategist in the MU. I'm pretty sure they can give most villains a run for their money when it comes to combat effectiveness due to skilled planning solo. Together its no contest especially against guys like the Wrecking Crew.

[klinton]

Falcon and Bucky were both trained by the greatest strategist in the MU. I'm pretty sure they can give most villains a run for their money when it comes to combat effectiveness due to skilled planning solo. Together its no contest especially against guys like the Wrecking Crew.

You're wasting your breath, mate. If someone doesn't respect the character, no amount of logic is going to sway them.

Right now, you're (well, me too now) just bumping this ignorant topic up, keeping it on the front page. Let it die the death it was meant. :D

[Kid Kamikaze10]

Falcon and Bucky were both trained by the greatest strategist in the MU. I'm pretty sure they can give most villains a run for their money when it comes to combat effectiveness due to skilled planning solo. Together its no contest especially against guys like the Wrecking Crew.

That excuse didn't fly for Cap and Fury vs the U-Foes. Hell, people didn't take that excuse for Cap vs Spidey.

Why is it valid for Sam and Bucky against guys that should be able to turn them into paste with a slap again?

And before we start with this ignorance mess, please note that i've every volume of Captain America. From kirby up.

[hysang]

You're wasting your breath, mate. If someone doesn't respect the character, no amount of logic is going to sway them.

Right now, you're (well, me too now) just bumping this ignorant topic up, keeping it on the front page. Let it die the death it was meant. :D

Agreed. Besides, there are plenty of good stories with Sam.

[celticguy]

And Yet Spiderman Faces guy's like Electro and Sandman every other day and beats them all the time. Both Characters extremely outside of his weight class. Celtic your argument in this particular case in which you are presenting it is invalid.

Electro really? you web your hands and pummel him how hard is that? Sandman is tough but that is where Peter's science backgound usually shines when he finds ways to contain him. That is the thing with spidey he is not just strong, fast and agile he is also very smart. He brings a lot to the table and can fins a way to contribute with any type of foe from a mugger to thanos.

Widow, and Falcon if the situation is right can be of use but they have huge limitations. There are many foes that if it was any sense of realism would snap their neck pretty quick. They win becasue they are the good guy and they will find the logshot that come true or they are lucky in some way. Same with others like Moonknight etc. There are people smarter, stronger, faster, and more agile than spidey but I don't know if anyone beats him in all areas. That makes him extremely useful.

[celticguy]

You're wasting your breath, mate. If someone doesn't respect the character, no amount of logic is going to sway them.

Right now, you're (well, me too now) just bumping this ignorant topic up, keeping it on the front page. Let it die the death it was meant. :D

It is not a case of not respecting a character. I like Falcon I liked him years ago as partners with Cap I liked him working with Bucky. I enjoy the friendship with Cap a lot. That does not mean I thing it is realistic that he can beat omega level powere of can hold his own against Thor's foes. It is nothing to do with respect it is just who he is. There is no shame in it.