I think Joss Whedon even said he tried to include the Wasp but had to write her out because there was simply no way you could introduce a brand new heroine while already juggling that many characters.
I have a complicated relationship with the movie. When I first saw it in theaters I was really bored in the first half, and it was upsetting to me because I looked forward to it so much. It got better in the second half, but the whole time I was really irritated by the Whedon dialog. None of it bothered me on my second viewing.
All in all, I liked the movie, but I don't think it is the greatest movie ever as so many other fans think. In fact, I like both Amazing Spider-man and Dark Knight Rises better.
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It was no better than "pretty solid".
But a lack of Ant-Man seems like a silly reason to dislike it.
As if that team needed another white dude.
Wasp would have been okay.
I can definitely see wishing Natasha were replaced by a different lady,
in that I think there's a problem with the lone lady being such a recognized and stereotypical female-character-specific archetype: the femme fatale.
That's an archetype that's all about women exploiting certain facets of a patriarchal world in order to empower themselves.
Super-heroes and more fantastic fiction in general exist in part to transcend such paradigms, I feel. So I'm not sure why a progressively-minded movie would want to evoke that rather than having a lady who stands on equal footing with the Big Damn Superheroes in more respects.
Not that femme-fatales can't be cool, but I really prefer them in an ensemble where they can be juxtaposed with more heroic femmes. (No, Maria Hill doesn't count, any more than Fury counts as the Avengers having a black dude as their leader).
I don't think people seem to get that the main reason Black Widow was there was because she was pretty much the only lady hero they were in a position to use given the prior movies. They'd fumbled the ball with female heroes in general and Natasha was the only one they'd introduced and set-up in a prior movie. You can't just suddenly drop an entirely new character, regardless of race or gender, into a movie like that where so much was already going on.
It wasn't about having a stereotype or wanting a character who can't be on equal footing with the boys. It was using whoever the hell they had available.
Hmm. I personally found Black Widow to be my favorite character in the movie followed by Hawkeye.
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highly problematic, and is probably gonna need a lot of retooling for the screen and redefining of both characters. (I assume they're going to be in the next Avengers movie.)
Well of course. They build up the big brands because those are the most marketable and ones everyone recognizes. But there's no reason they couldn't introduce more lady heroes in supporting bits in other films before giving them bigger roles, like they did with Hawkeye and Black Widow and seem to be doing with the Falcon.Problem is, there are no easy female superheroes they can just role into the movieverse. Too much of it is just building up the big brands.
Wasp probably, Ant-Man, I don't think so. Ant-Man's solo film doesn't come out until AFTER Avengers 2 so I think he does show up there, it'll just be a cameo or shout-out. Wasp I could see because Whedon likes her and one of the most frequent complaints about the first movie was the team itself being pretty male and Caucasian.Make them secret agents! Okay, I kid, but the Wasp's origin in comics is highly problematic, and is probably gonna need a lot of retooling for the screen and redefining of both characters. (I assume they're going to be in the next Avengers movie.)
Ah, I didn't know that. (I care about comics way more than I care about movies.)Wasp probably, Ant-Man, I don't think so. Ant-Man's solo film doesn't come out until AFTER Avengers 2 so I think he does show up there, it'll just be a cameo or shout-out. Wasp I could see because Whedon likes her and one of the most frequent complaints about the first movie was the team itself being pretty male and Caucasian.