I'm not saying any of these are in the right, but yes I'd say not every person who illegally downloads is the same. Of course they are still all technically criminals.
A woman can move a lot faster with her skirt up than a man can with his pants down.
I think it's ridiculous.
and I like movies. I value the craft of actors. I just don't think it's a cost/value ratio that really balances out when I weight it against my entertainment.
Videogames make more money than movies as abusiness don't they?
I'd like to see what your average programmer or game director gets paid.
Nothing's gonna happen without a warning
What you're saying is "I want to watch this movie (for whatever reason), but I shouldn't have to pay for it because it sucks."
If you don't want to support a crappy product, don't use it.
The difference, however, between those things and internet piracy are the size and immediacy of the issue. Used to, you had to borrow a friend's tape to record it to yours, and that took time and effort, and it was limited to whether or not you had a friend with that tape that would let you borrow it. Now, one person could by a CD and upload it, and it's suddenly available to EVERYONE at the click of a button.
But that is different. You're borrowing your friend's game, not copying it. You can't both play the game at the same time, because there's only one copy.And of course, borrowing your friend's video game so that you can play it and beat the game, without having to spend a dime. There's that old chestnut.
How is that a justification for stealing a product? I don't think that Microsoft's CEO should be making the millions of dollars per year that he makes, but I don't steal laptops.So and so actor couldn't make millions of dollars for acting all day. only thousands. jeez... what a shame.
The price of a movie ticket might be too much for you to justify. That's fine - you don't have to spend it. This has been said over and over again. You throw out $15 as a number like it's the only option. You can see movies for as low as a dollar as soon as they're out on DVD.
hey, Plawsky, I appreciate you bothering to answer, but I'm probably not going to actually reply to any of your points. just fair warning.
if you want to keep parroting the "it's illegal" line and "well I don't steal such and such" that's cool, but there isn't a less interesting conversation for me to have.
I'm pretty busy these next few days, and I could have an interesting conversation about why piracy wins out, but I don't care to keep getting told that the illegal thing is illegal and you don't steal.
I'm going to go watch a pirated movie!
If I said I pirate in place of DVRing (which still count for ratings if you watch in the first 3 days) I could see the argument that I'm being hypocritical. But I make the effort to give every creator their due. And I still care about graphics :p I get the 720s.
You're going to give me all the money to pay for that?! You are so sweet. I love you----oh wait.-DVR - the only way you miss a show is user error or a rare device or power malfunction. And if you DO miss it, you can record one of the reruns. It's just a monthly cost on top of your cable bill, and it's not much more.
-Hulu - it's free, and almost all network shows are put up the next day, and they stay up for a few weeks.
-On demand - if you get premium cable, all the channels offer their shows on their website (or even on your cable box, depending on provider). It's no additional cost. Several channels offer this same service.
-Netflix - most shows go on Netflix now, it seems. And it's only $8 a month. Sure, you have to wait a bit, but that's just how it works.
I have the worst Comcast where you have to set the cable box to switch channels and if the guide doesn't load for the day by 7am (and many times it won't) Shit out of luck getting it to change channels. And now networks got to break in and tell me someone farted in the snow... ugh
And as I stated the "most shows" argument doesn't work when it's not the show I'm watching ;) And yes while cable plays episodes often twice, networks still don't and then we're back to the crappy network sites that don't really work (if they even put up a whole episode of American Idol and they don't) and so on.
Heck, if fans can upload the full 45 minutes of Craig Ferguson's show on YouTube, CBS could do it there too and make up for the idiots breaking in and telling me it's raining (as if I can't tell by looking out the window)
Was there really a reason to interrupt Ellen's Halloween episode and tell me there is a hurricane in New York? We are in Michigan, NBC! YouTube only had some official clips, Pirate Bay had the whole thing. Guess what I did?
Watching these TV shows and movies is not a right that you have as an American.
well, first of all, I'm not justifying it. I don't have to justify anything to anyone. I'm discussing the whys of piracy. that's what I'm interested in. not all of the reasons I stated are even my reasons, just potential reasons.
I torrent two shows, as I do not own a television, and thus, do not have cable or a DVR.
I could pay for the episode weekly, but I'd rather spend that money on the DVD when it comes out and have paid for a permanent copy with bonus material. that's why I do it. it's there and it's easy, leaving me to purchase my prefered option later.
that's not a justification, it's an explanation, for the sake of discussion.
I've downloads music countless times because it was faster and easier than digging out that old CD and importing it.
And see... just as I thought (and no, I haven't read the last 4-5 pages of this thread). This has seemingly quickly devolved into a debate about legalities and peoples rights to download. Didn't anyone learn anything from the guy who was prosecuted earlier this year?
Keep it up and you will all eventually get caught and possibly fined or imprisoned. It is possible, however unlikely you consider it to be, that it will happen to you. Particularly if you keep defending the practice in a public forum.
the reality of the situation is they aren't going to imprison 8,720,000 people for downloading movies. the prison system in America alone is overcrowded and underfunded. fines is a much better use of time, and resources.
they will go after the uploaders, not the downloaders.