Alonso, Wacker & Brevoort Examine the End of "Amazing" #700

[Boozier]

Is this thread representative of the entirety of the Spider-Man boards? If so, I'll continue avoiding it at all costs.

[Tendrin]

Is this thread representative of the entirety of the Spider-Man boards? If so, I'll continue avoiding it at all costs.

Oh, there are other threads that have been worse.

[0bsessions]

The big difference is that the T-Bolts didn't murder their hero and steal the body of their to become their hero selves. I mean, I like the storyline and think it's going to be fascinating if its well written, but I understand why a lot of people are having probably grabbing on to the idea of reading about the murderer of Peter Parker right this moment. I think these people are being silly, but I understand it.

No, they just beat the Avengers' helpless butler within an inch of his life that one time and only formed a superhero group to take advantage of the reported deaths of the Avengers and Fantastic Four in an effort to take over the world.

I mean, yeah, it's not direct apples to apples, but the crux of the Thunderbolts concept was a bunch of scumbags pretending to be superheroes for personal gain who eventually gained a sense of personal responsibility. Sure, the journey there was different, but the destination was the same.

[Ben Smith]

OMG! Peter Parker is Cerebus!!

ha ha, that was funny

[Tendrin]

No, they just beat the Avengers' helpless butler within an inch of his life that one time and only formed a superhero group to take advantage of the reported deaths of the Avengers and Fantastic Four in an effort to take over the world.

I mean, yeah, it's not direct apples to apples, but the crux of the Thunderbolts concept was a bunch of scumbags pretending to be superheroes for personal gain who eventually gained a sense of personal responsibility. Sure, the journey there was different, but the destination was the same.

Did those same characters do Jarvis like that? I didn't catch the Thunderbolts wave after it'd been spoiled. I'm glad I did, but I wasn't aware it was those same Masters of Evil, given how many different Masters of Evil there'd been. But, yes. It's the same kind of journey. I just meant that some might have a harder time grappling with it because of the specifics in this case.

[EuphemismForSex]

You know, it hadn't occurred to me before now, but there is some precedent to the concept of a villain masquerading as a hero and turning out the better for it. A whole team of them, in fact.

If Thunderbolts, as a concept, could work, so can this.

Thunderbolts for long time hasn't been anyone masquerading as anyone. Admittedly I have no broad breadth of knowledge on the title, but for as long as I read it it was reformed/reforming villains doing good (trying) as part of some rehabilitation program, not unlike the real world. Except of course they're "super", so they have them do more than pick up trash on the side of a highway. They were guilty and incarcerated.

[Squashua]

Oh, and by the way, the Superman Blue storyline is not nearly as bad as it was made it to be. If you read it in its entirety, it really had some potential.

I did read it in its entirety. Even after he split into red and blue and had the millenium giants crossover. Even after he gave it to Strange Visitor (what an awful name). It did have potential, but it never achieved any of it.

Slott has written some of the most engaging Spider-Man I've ever read, and that keeps me reading him. Had I known better at the time to follow writers and not concepts, I'd have dropped Electric Superman much earlier than I did.

[Tendrin]

Thunderbolts for long time hasn't been anyone masquerading as anyone. Admittedly I have no broad breadth of knowledge on the title, but for as long as I read it it was reformed/reforming villains doing good (trying) as part of some rehabilitation program, not unlike the real world. Except of course they're "super", so they have them do more than pick up trash on the side of a highway. They were guilty and incarcerated.

Then you missed the truly stellar early, initial run. Seriously. Go read it if you haven't.

[0bsessions]

Did those same characters do Jarvis like that? I didn't catch the Thunderbolts wave after it'd been spoiled. I'm glad I did, but I wasn't aware it was those same Masters of Evil, given how many different Masters of Evil there'd been. But, yes. It's the same kind of journey. I just meant that some might have a harder time grappling with it because of the specifics in this case.

Wasn't sure, to be honest, I'm not a longtime Avengers reader. According to Wikipedia, the Under Siege arc did include multiple Thunderbolts under that Master of Evil roster (Fixer, Goliath, Screaming Mimi), but the beating was apparently performed by Mr. Hyde specifically, so I'm not sure how complicit the Thunderbolts are. They were present, so they share some guilt, but I don't know that any of them were actually involved in the beating.

[Jim Thompson]

Did those same characters do Jarvis like that?

Yes. Zemo, for instance, was part of that storyline.

[Tendrin]

Wasn't sure, to be honest, I'm not a longtime Avengers reader. According to Wikipedia, the Under Siege arc did include multiple Thunderbolts under that Master of Evil roster (Fixer, Goliath, Screaming Mimi), but the beating was apparently performed by Mr. Hyde specifically, so I'm not sure how complicit the Thunderbolts are. They were present, so they share some guilt, but I don't know that any of them were actually involved in the beating.

Oh right. Under Siege. Despite always wanting to, I've never gotten to read that damn book. >.<

[jsg2295]

OMG! Peter Parker is Cerebus!!

its what I was going for...your welcome.

[okpanic]

Thunderbolts for long time hasn't been anyone masquerading as anyone. Admittedly I have no broad breadth of knowledge on the title...

The current Thunderbolts, now Dark Avengers, consists of Osborns latest Dark Avengers group, with Ai Apaec as a black suited Spider-Man, Skaar as Hulk, Barney Barton as Hawkeye, etc...

[Tendrin]

Yes. Zemo, for instance, was part of that storyline.

Yeah, I knew Zemo was involved in Under Siege, but I wasn't sure about the rest. I do hope to read it someday.

[EuphemismForSex]

Then you missed the truly stellar early, initial run. Seriously. Go read it if you haven't.

Well, my other point was that the later iteration of the team were actually doing what Ock should be doing at this point. Turning himself in and joining that same group/program. But that seems more the logical conclusion once Ock figures out how to be a decent human being, if he ever truly does.

The current Thunderbolts, now Dark Avengers, consists of Osborns latest Dark Avengers group, with Ai Apaec as a black suited Spider-Man, Skaar as Hulk, Barney Barton as Hawkeye, etc...

Yeah I haven't read it. Last I saw Moonstone and Co were still time traveling or something.