Was Terry McGinnis Bruce's son before JLU?

[Fanofthegoblins]

I did always wonder why Terry's parents have red hair while he and his brother have black hair. Also, notice before jlu Terry's eyes and face is similiar to Bruce's. I find that suspicious.

[Henzapper]

I don't think there's any way to know for sure, but yeah, it was suspicious that they both had black hair while the parents had red hair. Makes me think that Bruce Timm just went, "Hmm, we can use this later if we want, or not. We'll see."

[Ood Omega]

I did always wonder why Terry's parents have red hair while he and his brother have black hair. Also, notice before jlu Terry's eyes and face is similiar to Bruce's. I find that suspicious.

I don't think there's any way to know for sure, but yeah, it was suspicious that they both had black hair while the parents had red hair. Makes me think that Bruce Timm just went, "Hmm, we can use this later if we want, or not. We'll see."

Terry and Matt McGinnis are indeed the biological sons of Bruce Wayne genetically created in a laboratory by Amanda Waller, from the JLU season 2 finale "Epilogue" co-written by Dwayne McDuffie R.I.P.

[Cloud576]

Terry and Matt McGinnis are indeed the biological sons of Bruce Wayne genetically created in a laboratory by Amanda Waller, from the JLU season 2 finale "Epilogue" co-written by Dwayne McDuffie R.I.P.

I think he's asking if it always was supposed to be that way in Batman Beyond, before they made Justice League Unlimited.

[NeonZ]

I couldn't post a source right now, but I've read some official looking information before where it was mentioned that the last episode of JLU s2 was based on a discarded plan for a Beyond story - Amanda Waller was replacing another character though. So, if I'm remembering this right, they did have the basic idea for a while.

[stk]

Red hair is recessive, though. Even with two red-headed parents, there's no guarantee of the kid getting it. So that part isn't proof one way or the other.

[Mat001]

When "Batman Beyond" began, it was not the plan. But after "Return Of The Joker" was written, there was plans to do a second film with Terry fighting a clone of himself which was created by Selena Kyle. It was then that Terry would learn the truth about himself. But the film was put on hold, in part because the show had been cancelled and partially because the film was too similar to ROTJ. When looking to end JLU, the idea was revisited and altered to what became "Epilogue". They could justify having Terry and Matt be Bruce's son, because of the difference in hair color. But I think that was mostly a joke.

[Ood Omega]

I think he's asking if it always was supposed to be that way in Batman Beyond, before they made Justice League Unlimited.

ah I see that now. There is only one other example that could be considered a clue or foreshadowing that I remember. In the final scene of the episode "The Call, Part 2", after Batman has saved Justice League Beyond from Starro, Terry declines their offer to join the league. He say something like "I guess I'm more like the old man than I thought" and Superman replies "You don't know the half of it kid" or something close to that. It could be interpreted that Superman knew Terry and Matt are Bruce's sons.

[stk]

ah I see that now. There is only one other example that could be considered a clue or foreshadowing that I remember. In the final scene of the episode "The Call, Part 2", after Batman has saved Justice League Beyond from Starro, Terry declines their offer to join the league. He say something like "I guess I'm more like the old man than I thought" and Superman replies "You don't know the half of it kid" or something close to that. It could be interpreted that Superman knew Terry and Matt are Bruce's sons.

Which would be weird, because at that point in the timeline, he wouldn't have known. He didn't find out until Epilogue, which I believe takes place after that.

[Ood Omega]

Which would be weird, because at that point in the timeline, he wouldn't have known. He didn't find out until Epilogue, which I believe takes place after that.

Terry didn't know but from Supes' comment I suspect he may have.

[geek1939]

Red hair is recessive, though. Even with two red-headed parents, there's no guarantee of the kid getting it. So that part isn't proof one way or the other.

Actually, the fact that it is recessive means that, if both parents were red-headed, their kids would HAVE to have red hair. Since it is recessive, it only shows if both alleles are red-headed. As such, the only real option is for them to get red-headed alleles. It's with dominant traits that both parents having it, there is no guarantee there kids will have it, because both parents could, for instance, have one brown haired (dominant, or rather, partially dominant, I think) and one red headed allele (recessive. The kid will end up with brown hair 3/4 of the time, but if it gets the red-head allele from both ends, he'll end up with red hair.

On a related note...they probably always had it as an option if they wanted to use it, but either never got around to it or never made the decision before JLU. Ultimately, though, I have no idea.

[carabas]

Actually, the fact that it is recessive means that, if both parents were red-headed, their kids would HAVE to have red hair. Since it is recessive, it only shows if both alleles are red-headed. As such, the only real option is for them to get red-headed alleles. It's with dominant traits that both parents having it, there is no guarantee there kids will have it, because both parents could, for instance, have one brown haired (dominant, or rather, partially dominant, I think) and one red headed allele (recessive. The kid will end up with brown hair 3/4 of the time, but if it gets the red-head allele from both ends, he'll end up with red hair.

On a related note...they probably always had it as an option if they wanted to use it, but either never got around to it or never made the decision before JLU. Ultimately, though, I have no idea.

It's not actually recessive but incompletely dominant, which means that it'll always out. It'll give people with a red and a black allel for hair colour brown hair, for instance.

But I really doubt very much that any thought at all was given to this when they decided on what Terry's parents were going to look like.
And his mother could very well have black hair and die it red, if we're going to overthink things.

[geek1939]

It's not actually recessive but incompletely dominant, which means that it'll always out. It'll give people with a red and a black allel for hair colour brown hair, for instance.

But I really doubt very much that any thought at all was given to this when they decided on what Terry's parents were going to look like.
And his mother could very well have black hair and die it red, if we're going to overthink things.

Interesting, never knew that.

[dupersuper]

Terry and Matt McGinnis are indeed the biological sons of Bruce Wayne genetically created in a laboratory by Amanda Waller, from the JLU season 2 finale "Epilogue" co-written by Dwayne McDuffie R.I.P.

Wait, Matt to?

[Ood Omega]

Wait, Matt to?

Warren McGinnis had his "reproductive material" reconstructed by Amanda Waller so it would match Bruce Wayne's. Approximately one year later Mary McGinnis gives birth to Terry, who was a combination of her and Bruce. So technically wouldn't that make Matt Bruce's son as well?