Justice League #15 Discussion [SPOILERS]

[Jake Fury]

Yeah, I'm sure WW is the only woman on DC Earth that's over 6' tall.

[Outside_85]

Again, if you can find specific examples of Wonder Woman going into a super strength mode when bezerk back in the day, then by all means I stand corrected. But, I have a few of those issues where she went bezerk, and it was always described as out of control, not more powerful.

I supposed you'd rather have the old version called; getting really upset-mode since it would be a more accurate description.

Clark takes point on how to deal with the disaster. Fair enough, he has more powers suited for this scenario. Not sure of the wisdom of superheating water people are drowning in though.

Puzzles me as well, instead of having them drown Superman is either boiling the people in the water or scalding those who had climbed to safety.

Again, the suspension of belief is amazing. We have one of the most beautiful women in the world, wearing a killer dress, about 6 feet tall and no one really notices? I love how they are trying to make us believe this could work. Not in this paparazzi world we live in.

It is normally considered rude to stare and isn't that place where they are eating in Metropolis? We are after all talking about two people who can move incredibly fast under their own power, which I expect makes them beyond the means of the press to actually follow.

[cgh]

The bezerker rage/god mode is two very different principles and powers. When Diana went into berzerker rage when her cuffs were broken, she was not stronger, only out of control. So, no check point for that, sorry

No, in WW 229 it is specifically mentioned that removing the bracers gave her increased strength. "The frenzy of rage and increased strength of the berserk Amazon makes her an unstoppable juggernaut..."

Azzarello knows his WW history.

[cgh]

Again, the suspension of belief is amazing. We have one of the most beautiful women in the world, wearing a killer dress, about 6 feet tall and no one really notices? I love how they are trying to make us believe this could work. Not in this paparazzi world we live in.

Where I live, there are lots of women who are around that tall. I know one who is nearly 50 years old, others in their 20s, etc. My girlfriend in university was 6'2".

I've heard that Americans are getting shorter as well as fatter so that could explain why there might be interest in such a tall woman, I suppose.

Anyway, I think it's fun that they discuss this long-standing, canonical example of the suspension of disbelief. Johns's tongue was firmly in cheek here. Great, fun issue.

[americanwonder]

Yeah, I'm sure WW is the only woman on DC Earth that's over 6' tall.

Well, her height is hardly her only defining characteristic. The woman has presence - height, build, beauty, etc. - she's a knock-out that can knock you out and demands to be seen just by walking in a room. People are going to notice her - glasses or not.

On the other, she's a great cover for Superman. Who's going to notice frumpy ol' Clark when Diana is in the room?

It is normally considered rude to stare and isn't that place where they are eating in Metropolis? We are after all talking about two people who can move incredibly fast under their own power, which I expect makes them beyond the means of the press to actually follow.

Well, the paparazzi hardly care about being rude, and super speed don't do much when they are sitting at a table. The Super Friends already stood in front of everyone in issue #6, so I'm sure there were a ton of photos taken, and everyone would be on the look out for them. Given how much is paid for the first photos of celebritity babies, just think how much would be paid for photos of the Super-folks.

So, I don't really buy into Clark's attempt at an explanation - though, in a way, this could help them a bit, because I'm sure there would be a ton of "Elvis sightings" and everyone would be trying to sell fake photos.

[Outside_85]

Well, the paparazzi hardly care about being rude, and super speed don't do much when they are sitting at a table. The Super Friends already stood in front of everyone in issue #6, so I'm sure there were a ton of photos taken, and everyone would be on the look out for them. Given how much is paid for the first photos of celebritity babies, just think how much would be paid for photos of the Super-folks.

So, I don't really buy into Clark's attempt at an explanation - though, in a way, this could help them a bit, because I'm sure there would be a ton of "Elvis sightings" and everyone would be trying to sell fake photos.

In the matter of the restaurant, it would require the press to know they were going there in the first place, these people don't really hang around random diners in hopes a celebrity shows up. They hang around major airports however, but they often know in advance when a celebrity is about to pass through.

[RealWonderman]

Lynda Carter's Diana Prince and Wonder Woman made it believable enough for me. Especially Season 1 of the show.

[Dr. Hurt]

Great issue. Superman and Wonder Woman work together. SHE FLIES. And the lasso transformation is back (inconsistent with the solo book).

Leave it up to Johns to go all nostalgia and bring back the cheese.

Well... This book sucked anyway so...

[garion]

that art kicked ass! Loved it.

Also loved how WW seems to be equally powerful to Supes and can fly. Now that's how you show WW being powerful!

Don't mind the secret identity nor the change of clothes. I'd prefer she was still the George Perez WW but that's no longer, so at least I have some things that I dig.

[dupersuper]

Not sure of the wisdom of superheating water people are drowning in though.

I don't see any people drowning at the miles high wave crest...

I usually look toward politicians and celebrities for these scenarios.
How do the public at large react when they see Brad Pitt at the gas station or the groceries store?
Some will make a big deal about it, asking for autographs and taking pictures, others will just smile.

I see it more like the pope going out in normal clothes: some might think "that guy looks like the pope", but move on.

I've heard that Americans are getting shorter as well as fatter

Flash fact: North America actually has higher gravity.

[brettc1]

I don't see any people drowning at the miles high wave crest...

Yeah, I would love to know what sort of convection currents that is setting up. Plus you turn a million tons of water into steam instantly and it is going to expand to 1600 times the volume. I dont know exactly what is going to happen but the explosion of superheated vapor is going to be a sight to see.

Edit - okay, here is how I think that would play out based on the science.

Lets assume that Supes heats up 100 000 tonnes of water [we dont use Imperial measures here in Australia]. That would be cube of water about 50 metures along its three dimensions, or 150 feet high, wide and deep. Of course it would more likely work as a sphere but never mind. Lets say this happens in 1 tenth of a second.

In that 0.1 seconds, the volume of the water will change by 1600 times. In other words, the gas the water turns into will rush out to take up a space [I might be wrong on this] 1725 feet high wide and deep. That's about a third of a mile.

Translation - BOOM!

The wave itself looks to be only about 1000 feet tall [ the length of an upended super carrier like the Nimitz] which means the top 150 feet of the wave just exploded downwards almost half the height of the wall of water. The wave would literally blow apart, while the superheated gas rushed past for a couple of city blocks past Superman, scalding to death anyone in its path. The blast wave would probably shatter window, meaning being inside is no protection. Anyone actually in the water who is not boiled alive would be killed by the pressure wave.

The lesson here is if you want to stop a huge wall of water Wonder Woman's stategy of setting out a counter wave across the approaching front is the way to go. Failing time to prepare I would try using superspeed to set up a vortext to channel the water away or maybe move at supersped behing the wave to create a rip and drag it back out to sea.

Heat vision - hmmm, not so much.

[UsagiTsukino]

Well, here are many people in Europe and where I'm from that are above 6 feet. So I don't understand.

[kylesgirl]

Yeah, I would love to know what sort of convection currents that is setting up. Plus you turn a million tons of water into steam instantly and it is going to expand to 1600 times the volume. I dont know exactly what is going to happen but the explosion of superheated vapor is going to be a sight to see.

Edit - okay, here is how I think that would play out based on the science.

Lets assume that Supes heats up 100 000 tonnes of water [we dont use Imperial measures here in Australia]. That would be cube of water about 50 metures along its three dimensions, or 150 feet high, wide and deep. Of course it would more likely work as a sphere but never mind. Lets say this happens in 1 tenth of a second.

In that 0.1 seconds, the volume of the water will change by 1600 times. In other words, the gas the water turns into will rush out to take up a space [I might be wrong on this] 1725 feet high wide and deep. That's about a third of a mile.

Translation - BOOM!

The wave itself looks to be only about 1000 feet tall [ the length of an upended super carrier like the Nimitz] which means the top 150 feet of the wave just exploded downwards almost half the height of the wall of water. The wave would literally blow apart, while the superheated gas rushed past for a couple of city blocks past Superman, scalding to death anyone in its path. The blast wave would probably shatter window, meaning being inside is no protection. Anyone actually in the water who is not boiled alive would be killed by the pressure wave.

The lesson here is if you want to stop a huge wall of water Wonder Woman's stategy of setting out a counter wave across the approaching front is the way to go. Failing time to prepare I would try using superspeed to set up a vortext to channel the water away or maybe move at supersped behing the wave to create a rip and drag it back out to sea.

Heat vision - hmmm, not so much.

Aww come on, this is comics. They can do what they want. A lasso can stitch the earth together if they say so.

[brettc1]

Aww come on, this is comics. They can do what they want. A lasso can stitch the earth together if they say so.

Sure, because magic trumps physics. Every role-player knows that.

[UsagiTsukino]

To me Clark kent isn't his secret identity because he was raised by that name. I don't think she knock off of Supernan.