Rate "Dying Wish"

[Neutrino]

Just because someone enjoyed a story you didn't doesn't mean they were emotionally manipulated into it. I've heard and know people that said Peter's death in Ultimate Spider man was garbage. Different strokes for different folks.

I don't care for Death of Spider-Man either. I don't think Peter Parker needs to die at all, and I don't think Marvel needs to do stunts just to keep readers interested. Anyway, I think this story was blatant emotional manipulation. The first time Slott had Peter meet with all the people he knew who'd died, it had a big impact. This time, Slott knew that this would work and so he had Peter meet with all his loved ones... and then fail them... and then leave everything he had in the hands of a psychopath. All stories are calculated to make us react, but there needs to be a payoff.

In Death of Spider-Man, the pain Aunt May, Gwen and MJ felt in losing Peter was the payoff. It showed us that all of this is real, and it matters. In Dying Wish, nobody cares, and worse still, Peter was written so painfully out of character that he actually approved of Ock taking over his identity. (A few issues ago, he smashed Morbius without even a moment to let him explain himself. Morbius, who is practically a saint beside Doctor Octopus.)

But it's okay if you like it, and it feels genuine for you. These are just my thoughts.

[TonyStark1012]

I don't care for Death of Spider-Man either. I don't think Peter Parker needs to die at all, and I don't think Marvel needs to do stunts just to keep readers interested. Anyway, I think this story was blatant emotional manipulation. The first time Slott had Peter meet with all the people he knew who'd died, it had a big impact. This time, Slott knew that this would work and so he had Peter meet with all his loved ones... and then fail them... and then leave everything he had in the hands of a psychopath. All stories are calculated to make us react, but there needs to be a payoff.

In Death of Spider-Man, the pain Aunt May, Gwen and MJ felt in losing Peter was the payoff. It showed us that all of this is real, and it matters. In Dying Wish, nobody cares, and worse still, Peter was written so painfully out of character that he actually approved of Ock taking over his identity. (A few issues ago, he smashed Morbius without even a moment to let him explain himself. Morbius, who is practically a saint beside Doctor Octopus.)

But it's okay if you like it, and it feels genuine for you. These are just my thoughts.

I understand you're point. I only read Spiderman know and again. Not like I used to. I just think that this was a very good story that had emotional aspects to it. Not emotional manipulation. I understand if you see it that way. I just don't happen too. I never knew about what happened with Morbius because as I said. I read Spidey when I hear about an arc and I think it will be interesting.

[santino27]

Who says you need to be supportive? Who says you need to like him? If he's written a certain way, it might be that we're suppose to not like him, we're suppose to root agaisnt him, and that'll make the return of Peter Parker all the more better.

I agree with you, I don't like Doc Ock. He just killed Peter Parker and stole his life. He handed him the ultimate defeat. He raped Peter Parker. Every intimate memory Peter had of him and MJ and Gwen, there his now. I hate this guy.

Which makes it all the more interesting that he's Spider-Man now.

I'm not spending money to read a story about someone I don't like. Comics are expensive enough, as it is.

I thought the whole thing was pretty lousy, and between the MJ stuff, the Aunt May stuff, the teen Jean stuff, etc., there's a lot of weirdly pervy stuff coming out of Marvel lately.

[satchmo the dragon]

Its bad just because we all know pete will beback in ten seconds. Marvel needs to figure out how to tell stories without deaths no one can take a story seriously like this anymore. Not with spiderman anyway. Boy who cried wolf.

[EuphemismForSex]

Its bad just because we all know pete will beback in ten seconds. Marvel needs to figure out how to tell stories without deaths no one can take a story seriously like this anymore. Not with spiderman anyway. Boy who cried wolf.

Well, it's not any worse than how they handled "Death" of Johnny Storm. That one they didn't even try to make seem lasting.

I understand you're point. I only read Spiderman know and again. Not like I used to. I just think that this was a very good story that had emotional aspects to it. Not emotional manipulation. I understand if you see it that way. I just don't happen too. I never knew about what happened with Morbius because as I said. I read Spidey when I hear about an arc and I think it will be interesting.

Proper characterization would've made this emotional. Instead the entire thing seemed stupidly contrived.

[RyanParkerMan]

I'm not spending money to read a story about someone I don't like. Comics are expensive enough, as it is.

I thought the whole thing was pretty lousy, and between the MJ stuff, the Aunt May stuff, the teen Jean stuff, etc., there's a lot of weirdly pervy stuff coming out of Marvel lately.

Different strokes for different folks. I'm interested in what happens next. I like all the other heroes I read, I can dislike this one. I'm also reading for the catharsis when Peter does beat the crap out of Otto. As for you, if you decide not to read then fine, nobody is going to miss you. I dropped the book after One More Day until Big Time. The world still spun and Marvel kept making Spider-Man comics.

[RyanParkerMan]

Well, it's not any worse than how they handled "Death" of Johnny Storm. That one they didn't even try to make seem lasting.



Proper characterization would've made this emotional. Instead the entire thing seemed stupidly contrived.

Mary Jane ignoring Peter's behavior is a real head scratcher.

[satchmo the dragon]

Well, it's not any worse than how they handled "Death" of Johnny Storm. That one they didn't even try to make seem lasting.



Proper characterization would've made this emotional. Instead the entire thing seemed stupidly contrived.

Two wrongs dont make a right. With johnny storm i actually thought hed stay dead for a while cuz hes a minor character and hickman used to be a good writer. I was sorely mistaken.

[okpanic]

But I like my good guys winning, and if they can't, at least losing with some dignity. Peter Parker, one of the world's most beloved superheroes, got none of that.

Couldn't agree more. Would've been nice if he died right, if he had to die at all.

Would the story have had such an impact if he had a loving, flowery, ascending to the bright heavens in the back of a convertible send-off? I really don't think it would.
That would be expected. Pedantic even. The fact that a villain, for now, has actually finally bested his nemesis and left him to perish in such an undignified fashion, is exciting. I want to be surprised, I want to see stories told a little out of the box. That's just me though.

[EuphemismForSex]

Would the story have had such an impact if he had a loving, flowery, ascending to the bright heavens in the back of a convertible send-off? I really don't think it would.

No. But that would be him dead. I just wanted his actual dying to be heroic. Spending the last moments of his life not letting Ock win would've been nice. Fighting back would've been amazing even if he didn't win, but we didn't even get that much. Uncle Ben said it himself, and it would've been nice if Peter died trying to accomplish the task Ben set out for him

Out of the box surprises are fun when they're in character. It'd be surprising if Aunt May became a serial killer, but some surprises just aren't good.

[okpanic]

We both know this "death" isn't going to stick though, so why is it such a sticking point about how a character is temporarily taken off of the table?

[EuphemismForSex]

so why is it such a sticking point about how a character is temporarily taken off of the table?

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat...

[John Ossie]

Terrible.

R.I.P. Spidey.

Agreed. I'm afraid this book just didn't do it for me.

[EuphemismForSex]

Shameless bump.

[satchmo the dragon]

Petrr got defeated. Infecting ock with power and responsibility was better than nothing.