Slott's "Superior Spider-Man" Revealed

**MASTER-OF-SUPRISE** · 01-02-2013, 09:00 PM

Originally Posted by FoogosArt

I never post here (obviously) but I had to share the thoughts of my girlfriend, who has NEVER read a comic until I gave her ASM 700 to hold her over on a long train ride yesterday. She read the book and said, "So this Octopus Man goes after the girlfriend and he's this bad guy. Then he sees Peter Parker's bad memories for a couple pages and he becomes a good guy? This is bull$#!+."

Personally, I liked the story, and look forward to seeing something that isn't the same-old, same-old. I do think its funny that the reaction I got from someone who read ASM 700 as her first comic is the same as so many diehards.

I gotta side with the lady there.

**refrax5** · 01-02-2013, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by MASTER-OF-SUPRISE

I gotta side with the lady there.

I'm not really defending the idea---initially, I thought it was really dumb and underwhelming, although now I've got mixed feelings---but it wasn't just that he saw Peter's memories....he felt them. He fully experienced Peter's formative moments. He basically got a forced dose of empathy. I could see that affecting him, literally seeing things from another man's perspective. He still seems like he's a gigantic d--k, just one trying to make sense of what he just experienced. I doubt it's going to be as simple as Ock suddenly being a saint, you know?

That said, it might very well be entirely stupid, but I am a bit of a softy for redemption stories and mad scientists. So I've decided I'm going to give the first few issues a shot. I'm not going to bag on it until I see where they're going with it.

**Tendrin** · 01-02-2013, 09:32 PM

Originally Posted by refrax5

I'm not really defending the idea---initially, I thought it was really dumb and underwhelming, although now I've got mixed feelings---but it wasn't just that he saw Peter's memories....he felt them. He fully experienced Peter's formative moments. He basically got a forced dose of empathy. I could see that affecting him, literally seeing things from another man's perspective. He still seems like he's a gigantic d--k, just one trying to make sense of what he just experienced. I doubt it's going to be as simple as Ock suddenly being a saint, you know?

That said, it might very well be entirely stupid, but I am a bit of a softy for redemption stories and mad scientists. So I've decided I'm going to give the first few issues a shot. I'm not going to bag on it until I see where they're going with it.

With the number of people not quite getting what happened to Ock, despite Peter explicitly stating what he was doing and what Ock was experiencing, I have to think they could've done it a bit better and more clearly and forcefully stated this somehow. A lot of peopel don't quite seem to get what happened, so something about it isn't entirely as clear as it ought to be.

**refrax5** · 01-02-2013, 11:23 PM

This is going to sound kind of mean and condescending, but there are a lot of things in comics and sci-fi that people don't seem to understand no matter how clear it is. I don't see how it could have been more obvious without them overexplaining it, you know?

**Tendrin** · 01-02-2013, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by refrax5

This is going to sound kind of mean and condescending, but there are a lot of things in comics and sci-fi that people don't seem to understand no matter how clear it is. I don't see how it could have been more obvious without them overexplaining it, you know?

It does. ;)

There's always going to be some people who don't get something. It's not even going to be the same people every time. Different people interpret different bits of information differently. But there seems to be a greater than usual mass in this case that seems to not quite understand this part of it. I think it has something to do with the visual nature of the medium in this case where we're only seeing the highlights, and have to use the text to fill it in, and people tend to put greater stock in the image than the word.

**Lars C** · 01-03-2013, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by Tendrin

With the number of people not quite getting what happened to Ock, despite Peter explicitly stating what he was doing and what Ock was experiencing, I have to think they could've done it a bit better and more clearly and forcefully stated this somehow. A lot of peopel don't quite seem to get what happened, so something about it isn't entirely as clear as it ought to be.

Maybe it's not meant to be clear just yet? Maybe that story is just beginning?

**Tendrin** · 01-03-2013, 12:09 AM

Originally Posted by Lars C

Maybe it's not meant to be clear just yet? Maybe that story is just beginning?

This part IS clear, though, largely -- but it hasn't stopped people from not quite getting it. Peter spells it out right there on the page.

**Lars C** · 01-03-2013, 12:12 AM

Originally Posted by Tendrin

This part IS clear, though, largely -- but it hasn't stopped people from not quite getting it. Peter spells it out right there on the page.

I'm just guessing that the trick up their sleeve is that Peter is still there. Maybe the transfer was more successful than we thought or maybe Ock just overwrote Peter's consciousness, and Pete is still there, kinda locked in his own brain?

**Tendrin** · 01-03-2013, 12:20 AM

Originally Posted by Lars C

I'm just guessing that the trick up their sleeve is that Peter is still there. Maybe the transfer was more successful than we thought or maybe Ock just overwrote Peter's consciousness, and Pete is still there, kinda locked in his own brain?

It's defintiely one possibile answer to Parker's fate, given the way Ock smacked a dude in Avenging 15.1. Peter may well be Ock's Jiminy Cricket. xD