I've just read it and it 'twas brilliant.
“The only thing standing between you and your goal is the bullshit story you keep telling yourself as to why you can't achieve it.”
Thunderbolts program was started by the CSA.
Goliath getting killed was partly his fault for breaking the law and partly Skrull Pym messing with Thorminator.
Neg Zone prison was created by Reed and what's wrong with it? That you dont give people a fair chance to run away like they aways do in the prisons on earth?
What allies did Stark imprison? Just because a friend is breaking the law it doesnt mean that you ignore it because he is your friend.
No there was nothing clear about him being wrong, somehow some readers made that decision based on their own twisted version of events.
But I agree with what you said about blatantly making it so obvious Tony was so wrong. FFS when he started using Chipped villains including the Osborn. Norman frigging Osborn. The most evil sack of poop ever to grace the Marvel universes. And then as the fallout from CW he ends up running SHIELD (which I might add is not as stupid as DC having Lex Luthor as president). He really lost his way. Reed Richards you could nearly "excuse" in the same way we excuse all the evil scientists inflict upon the world like Oppenheimer...
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I have re-re-read it recently and think that it is a great limited series.
Especially art wise,and the story remains interesting untill issue 7.
Pull List:New Avengers,Thor,Superior Spider-Man,Mighty Avengers,Swamp Thing,Daredevil,Uncanny Avengers,Superior Foes of Spider-Man.
Civil War sucks because it was written by Mark Millar and supervised by Joe Quesada. Simple like that.
'The marquis. Well, you know, to be honest, he seems a little bit dodgy to me.'
'Mm,' she agreed. 'He's a little bit dodgy in the same way that rats are a little bit covered in fur."
E Wilson pointed out most of my issues with it, although I still think it's an enjoyable story. One of the more enjoyable "Events" imo.
But the main thing is that it wasn't all that well written, and for a book that was going to, as E Wilson put it "Take a sledgehammer to suspension of disbelief" it really needed to be written better.
That and a big flaw of the book is that Cap isn't allowed to be wrong (even when he admits he was wrong later), and as a result Tony and Reed got a good ways out of character, discrediting pretty much their whole argument.
Civil War was a nice idea but the story did force characters to act all funny. Civil War is a good but flawed story.
Iron Man's actions didn't exactly match his POV. Him supporting the SHRA was perfectly fine but him acting all villain like by employing unreformed criminals, throwing his allies into the negative zone and getting Goliath killed was just unnecessary and seemed to be added to the story for shock value.
The only way to enjoy the story is to completely forget about the characters previous, umm, characterization and just accept what your seeing.
Adults struggle desperately with fiction, demanding constantly that it conform to the rules of everyday life when the answer is obvious to the smallest child: because it's not real. - Grant Morrison