Last appearance of Grayson as Robin?

[Jon Crane]

From my understanding, it's in the New Teen Titans #39 - dated around Feb 1984. And Jason makes his first appearance as Robin around December 1983. I'm not sure why, but it seems extremely strange to assume that Todd became Robin whilst Richard was still out and about using the moniker with the Titans. Can anyone shed any light on the subject?

[stk]

From my understanding, it's in the New Teen Titans #39 - dated around Feb 1984. And Jason makes his first appearance as Robin around December 1983. I'm not sure why, but it seems extremely strange to assume that Todd became Robin whilst Richard was still out and about using the moniker with the Titans. Can anyone shed any light on the subject?

It's the reason Dick stopped being Robin. Batman had a new one and there were two. Otherwise, he probably would have stayed Robin forever, like the Earth-2 Dick Grayson.

[Mat001]

Jason had been introduced the previous year, I believe. The intention was to have him be the new Robin and Marv Wolfman began a storyline in which Dick began to question his future, close to the time when the switch over would occur. "The Judas Contract" would come out a bit later. Max Allen Collins and Jim Starlin would later change this by having Bruce and Dick on the outs, when the latter finished high school and went to college and that Dick had quit being Robin and became Nightwing, before Bruce took Jason in. "Nightwing: Year One" would present a timeline of events for this.

[bat39]

Jason had been introduced the previous year, I believe. The intention was to have him be the new Robin and Marv Wolfman began a storyline in which Dick began to question his future, close to the time when the switch over would occur. "The Judas Contract" would come out a bit later. Max Allen Collins and Jim Starlin would later change this by having Bruce and Dick on the outs, when the latter finished high school and went to college and that Dick had quit being Robin and became Nightwing, before Bruce took Jason in. "Nightwing: Year One" would present a timeline of events for this.

All of this makes me wonder how the switch was made in the new 52 continuity, with the compressed timeline.

[Buried Alien]

BATMAN # 368, which was the first official appearance of Jason Todd as Robin (e.g. in the famous, familiar costume), was cover-dated February, 1984 (which means it was on the shelves in December, 1983, as comics have long been cover-dated two months ahead of their actual appearance in retail markets), same as NEW TEEN TITANS # 39, the last new appearance of Dick Grayson as Robin. The two happened more or less simultaneously, so there was never a period wherein both Dick *and* Jason were Robins at the same time.

Buried Alien (The Fastest Post Alive!)

[dupersuper]

Post-Crisis this was retconned a tad, Post Morrisons "everything counts" and post-Flashpoint...who knows?

[bat39]

Post-Crisis this was retconned a tad, Post Morrisons "everything counts" and post-Flashpoint...who knows?

Morrison stuck to the Post COIE origin for the most part, with Jason having been a street kid who stole the tires of the Batmobile. As a nod to the Pre COIE version however, he did retcon Jason back to having originally been a red head who dyed his hair to look like Dick Grayson...and suggested in fact that Bruce compelled him to do so (unlike the original version where he did so voluntarily).

Post-Flashpoint, there is YET another version of Jason's origin, thematically close to the Post COIE one, albeit with changes. Instead of boosting tires of the Batmobile, Batman caught Jason stealing drugs from Leslie Thompkins clinic...and took him straight to Wayne Manor instead of dropping him off at a foster home. In this version, Bruce offered him the role of Robin...and Dick (as Nightwing) spent some time training Jason as his successor. There's also the hint that the Joker might have orchestrated Jason's origin all along...something being explored currently in Death of the Family.