What is Wonder Woman bringing on the table for Superman in their relationship?

[hellacre]

I wasn't trying to say absolutely that he could not control himself most of the time, but perhaps the fear that he might lose control even once would have a considerable effect on him.

I know. I think trying not to lose control could make the act very er...pedestrian for him personally. While a connection and being in love helps, end of the day, sex is about giving up control in a way too. But that's just my view.

[Frank Fournier]

In 1987, hot of the heels of the success of Watchmen (and the success at DC of Crisis on Infinite Earths), Alan Moore was takes by DC Comics to come up with an idea for a big crossover. Moore’s idea was called Twilight of the Superheroes.

The basic gist of the story is thus:

It is around the year 2000, and superheroes more or less rule the world. There are eight “Houses” which are made up of related superheroes.

The two strongest ones are:

House of Steel – Superman and his brood (including Superman’s wife, Wonder Woman)

and

House of Thunder – Captain Marvel and his Marvel Family

These two houses are about to join with the marriage of Superboy (the son of Superman and Wonder Woman) and Mary Marvel, Jr. (the daughter of Captain Marvel and Mary Marvel – yes, I know, that is a creepy pairing – Moore does not shy from the creepiness of it).

The other six are:

House of Titans – Made up of, yep, you guessed it.

House of Mystery – Various magic characters.

House of Secrets – The remaining super-villains who have not been captured/killed.

House of Justice – The remaining unaffiliated superheroes

House of Tomorrow – Due to a flux in time, all time travelers have been stuck at this point in time, so they all gather here.

House of Lanterns – Abandoned, because awhile back, Earth has turned on aliens and driven them all out (Superman being the notable exception, of course). They currently have a base on the moon, waiting to get back to Earth, planning an invasion along with New Mars, Rann and Thanagar.

Okay, so the whole story takes place in a flashback at the beginning of a framing sequence with John Constantine at a bar in late 1987, reading a letter. A woman asks him for a lgiht, and he flashs back to earlier in 1987, and that begins the story.

It appears that the John Constantine from the future somehow helps Rip Hunter (one of the time travelers stuck at that point in time) escape to the present (1987), where Hunter teams up with 1987 John Constantine to warn all the heroes about the future. Future Constantine has told 87 Constantine (through Hunter) that the world of the future is awful, and he needs to help change it.

So anyhow, Constantine and Rip Hunter go to various heroes and warn them – presumably, these would take place in the various titles of the DC line of comics.

Meanwhile, in the Twilight of Superheroes series, proper, the Constantine of that time is the readers’ guide to the world of the future. Constantine is his normal self, just older, but actually in a happy relationship with a woman he’s been with for some time now – which is a nice change of pace for Constantine. So Constantine makes his way through the grimy world of the remaining human characters, the ones who don’t belong to the various Houses. He meets Green Arrow, etc. One notable absence, of course, is Batman. However, Constantine seems to be making various plans and contacts with people here and there. He is obviously planning SOMEthing. He keeps having mysterious meetings with people we don’t learn the importance of until later.

In the end, there would be a whole series of twists and turns.

That’s what happens in the long finale (I’d imagine the finale would be so big it would take up at least two issues, maybe three) – first, all the remaining Earth houses attack the wedding of Superboy and Mary Marvel, Jr., because they want to prevent that union. Massive bloodshed, but the House of Steel and Marvel manage to survive more or less intact (while mostly wiping out the other heroes).

When the dust settles from that fight, though, we get the big revelation that that Martian Manhunter has been impersonating Captain Marvel Sr. for the whole series, as part of an alien invasion. The Green Lanterns, the Rannians and the Thanagarians all invade at once.

Big fight with the remaining characters, and in the end, the aliens simply have too much manpower (including the Daxamite Green Lantern).

However, this is when Constantine’s plan comes into play – Batman and a small group of human heroes attack using armor created by the Metal Man Gold (who disappeared earlier in the series) and fight the aliens to a stand-still, but when it looks like a stalemate, Constantine reveals his final trump card. He has contacted the New God Metron (seen earlier in the series, although not made clear what he was doing), and used his chair to travel to Qward, where Constantine has sold the secret of Boom Tube technology to the Qwardians, so while the aliens are on Earth, their home worlds are currently being invaded by Qwardians. So the aliens all leave, and Earth is left with mostly humans and non-powered superheroes, so the world is ultimately (in Constantine’s view, at least) a happier place.

We cut back to the opening, and realize that the letter Constantine is reading in 1987 is from his future self. He is learning via a letter from his future self (that Hunter gives to Constantine after they warn all the heroes) that the whole thing has been a con, and he was meant to warn the heroes of 1987 specifically so that this future WOULD happen. Older Constantine apologizes, but says, on the bright side, A. I conned you for a good cause and B. at least you’ll end up with the woman of your dreams. In fact, I’ll even tell you when you meet her. She comes up to you and asks you for a light at a bar at the end of 1987.

So yeah, you guessed it. The young Constantine is so angry at his future self that he tries to think of a way to hurt him, and all he can think of is, when the woman asks for a light, he replies:

“No. I’m sorry. I don’t smoke.”

She leaves, and the books ends with Constantine drinking himself into a stupor as he weeps uncontrollably.





I find this whole idea interesting, especially since Alan Moore himself wrote in Superman Annual #11 (1985) that Sup and WW thinking of them a couple would be too predictable BEFORE he came up with the idea for Twilight of the Superheroes.

[Aquacatlungfish]

Most of us were able to ignore writers like Azzarello. He was a Vertigo writer, presumed to be bleak, cynical, dull, and pretentious, but so long as he stayed in the Vertigo imprint he could be ignored. I suppose That Sort of Thing has its fans, and they would go on and on about how deep and mature it all was; taking no interest, I never read that commentary either. It was only when he took his bleak, cynical dullness and used it on Superman and Wonder Woman that I really had the chance to learn to hate him. Writers like that simply need to be kept away from classic superheroes.

Yeah we should definately keep away the best Wonder Woman writer bar none from her. Wonder Woman fans are far too whiney to get a good writer.

[thepenguin]

In 1987, hot of the heels of the success of Watchmen (and the success at DC of Crisis on Infinite Earths), Alan Moore was takes by DC Comics to come up with an idea for a big crossover. Moore’s idea was called Twilight of the Superheroes.

The basic gist of the story is thus:

It is around the year 2000, and superheroes more or less rule the world. There are eight “Houses” which are made up of related superheroes.

The two strongest ones are:

House of Steel – Superman and his brood (including Superman’s wife, Wonder Woman)

and

House of Thunder – Captain Marvel and his Marvel Family

These two houses are about to join with the marriage of Superboy (the son of Superman and Wonder Woman) and Mary Marvel, Jr. (the daughter of Captain Marvel and Mary Marvel – yes, I know, that is a creepy pairing – Moore does not shy from the creepiness of it).

The other six are:

House of Titans – Made up of, yep, you guessed it.

House of Mystery – Various magic characters.

House of Secrets – The remaining super-villains who have not been captured/killed.

House of Justice – The remaining unaffiliated superheroes

House of Tomorrow – Due to a flux in time, all time travelers have been stuck at this point in time, so they all gather here.

House of Lanterns – Abandoned, because awhile back, Earth has turned on aliens and driven them all out (Superman being the notable exception, of course). They currently have a base on the moon, waiting to get back to Earth, planning an invasion along with New Mars, Rann and Thanagar.

Okay, so the whole story takes place in a flashback at the beginning of a framing sequence with John Constantine at a bar in late 1987, reading a letter. A woman asks him for a lgiht, and he flashs back to earlier in 1987, and that begins the story.

It appears that the John Constantine from the future somehow helps Rip Hunter (one of the time travelers stuck at that point in time) escape to the present (1987), where Hunter teams up with 1987 John Constantine to warn all the heroes about the future. Future Constantine has told 87 Constantine (through Hunter) that the world of the future is awful, and he needs to help change it.

So anyhow, Constantine and Rip Hunter go to various heroes and warn them – presumably, these would take place in the various titles of the DC line of comics.

Meanwhile, in the Twilight of Superheroes series, proper, the Constantine of that time is the readers’ guide to the world of the future. Constantine is his normal self, just older, but actually in a happy relationship with a woman he’s been with for some time now – which is a nice change of pace for Constantine. So Constantine makes his way through the grimy world of the remaining human characters, the ones who don’t belong to the various Houses. He meets Green Arrow, etc. One notable absence, of course, is Batman. However, Constantine seems to be making various plans and contacts with people here and there. He is obviously planning SOMEthing. He keeps having mysterious meetings with people we don’t learn the importance of until later.

In the end, there would be a whole series of twists and turns.

That’s what happens in the long finale (I’d imagine the finale would be so big it would take up at least two issues, maybe three) – first, all the remaining Earth houses attack the wedding of Superboy and Mary Marvel, Jr., because they want to prevent that union. Massive bloodshed, but the House of Steel and Marvel manage to survive more or less intact (while mostly wiping out the other heroes).

When the dust settles from that fight, though, we get the big revelation that that Martian Manhunter has been impersonating Captain Marvel Sr. for the whole series, as part of an alien invasion. The Green Lanterns, the Rannians and the Thanagarians all invade at once.

Big fight with the remaining characters, and in the end, the aliens simply have too much manpower (including the Daxamite Green Lantern).

However, this is when Constantine’s plan comes into play – Batman and a small group of human heroes attack using armor created by the Metal Man Gold (who disappeared earlier in the series) and fight the aliens to a stand-still, but when it looks like a stalemate, Constantine reveals his final trump card. He has contacted the New God Metron (seen earlier in the series, although not made clear what he was doing), and used his chair to travel to Qward, where Constantine has sold the secret of Boom Tube technology to the Qwardians, so while the aliens are on Earth, their home worlds are currently being invaded by Qwardians. So the aliens all leave, and Earth is left with mostly humans and non-powered superheroes, so the world is ultimately (in Constantine’s view, at least) a happier place.

We cut back to the opening, and realize that the letter Constantine is reading in 1987 is from his future self. He is learning via a letter from his future self (that Hunter gives to Constantine after they warn all the heroes) that the whole thing has been a con, and he was meant to warn the heroes of 1987 specifically so that this future WOULD happen. Older Constantine apologizes, but says, on the bright side, A. I conned you for a good cause and B. at least you’ll end up with the woman of your dreams. In fact, I’ll even tell you when you meet her. She comes up to you and asks you for a light at a bar at the end of 1987.

So yeah, you guessed it. The young Constantine is so angry at his future self that he tries to think of a way to hurt him, and all he can think of is, when the woman asks for a light, he replies:

“No. I’m sorry. I don’t smoke.”

She leaves, and the books ends with Constantine drinking himself into a stupor as he weeps uncontrollably.





I find this whole idea interesting, especially since Alan Moore himself wrote in Superman Annual #11 (1985) that Sup and WW thinking of them a couple would be too predictable BEFORE he came up with the idea for Twilight of the Superheroes.

I always thought that was tongue in cheek. Clear they were attracted to each other, and maybe it was fandom wanting more because of that but DC wouldn't let them get together. So how could it be predictable when it was never done, I don't get it. Predictable means the same story over and over. In Whatever Happened For the Man of Tomorrow...Moore seemed to suggest Superman and Wonder Woman would become (inevitably) lovers but then Supes "died" and had no powers and so could just stop being Superman and go off and marry Lois.

It just means things change. Ideas change. Ideas evolve. Like Steve was written out as love interest to big brother. Many writers are on record to say Lois and Clark while an important part of the mythos do not need to be married. But did not stop DC from do it officially in canon. Now they saw the need to change it again. I think changes reflect the current culture in literature/entertainment etc. Power couples are bigger today than ever.

Plus we have books looking at Superman as a widower in the Beyond books. Life goes on. Nothing is set in stone and there is no one ending. Nor should it be. Else we'd never have stories.

[Predabot]

Yeah we should definately keep away the best Wonder Woman writer bar none from her. Wonder Woman fans are far too whiney to get a good writer.

It should be noted, that as good as Azzarello is at writing Wonder Woman, as bad is he att witing Superman.

For tomorrow was, in a litterary quality -meaning, a monumental failure on his part. There's no two ways about it. ( yes sales were quite good, but the fact was that he had Jim Lee on art-duties, and his art have sold many a badly written book)

Azzarrello is a fine writer and a gentleman in most other aspects however, and he did help to save the house of one of Superman's creators.

But his shot at Superman was a grave mis-fire... Please accept that, AND that the majority of us online fans feel the same way.

[Mr. Holmes]

It was a failure in a litterary quality, but a success in a literary sense.

[brettc1]

Most of us were able to ignore writers like Azzarello. He was a Vertigo writer, presumed to be bleak, cynical, dull, and pretentious, but so long as he stayed in the Vertigo imprint he could be ignored. I suppose That Sort of Thing has its fans, and they would go on and on about how deep and mature it all was; taking no interest, I never read that commentary either. It was only when he took his bleak, cynical dullness and used it on Superman and Wonder Woman that I really had the chance to learn to hate him. Writers like that simply need to be kept away from classic superheroes.

With respect Steve, I think this is bordering on a personal slight rather than an artistic critique.

[SteveGus]

Yeah we should definately keep away the best Wonder Woman writer bar none from her.

His run on Wonder Woman goes beyond simply being bad. It is an act of vandalism, an expression of spite and scorn against the character, an attempt to destroy her and her world.

[misslane38]

Predictable means the same story over and over. In Whatever Happened For the Man of Tomorrow...Moore seemed to suggest Superman and Wonder Woman would become (inevitably) lovers but then Supes "died" and had no powers and so could just stop being Superman and go off and marry Lois.

I think you're describing For the Man Who Has Everything and not Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow. Moore has Superman voluntarily relinquish his powers using gold kryptonite out of shame for murdering Mxy in Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow. His inability to be Superman is presented as less of a detriment to humanity because the events that led up to the epic battle with Mxy involved the destruction of many of his adversaries such as Brainiac, Lex Luthor, and Mxy. He doesn't stop being Superman for Lois or to marry Lois, in other words, and the marriage itself is shown to produce a superpowered baby. Nothing is said about Wonder Woman in the story. For the Man Who Has Everything does involve Wonder Woman, but it in no way suggests they would inevitably get together. In fact it does the opposite. Batman and Wonder Woman fight Mongul, who has put Superman in a trance, and in the battle Diana says she and Superman are "just good friends." Once freed from Mongul's manipulation, Superman and Wonder Woman share a scene together where he says them getting together is "too predictable." None of what Moore wrote in either What Happened to the Man of Tomorrow or For the Man Who Has Everything supports anything more than a platonic relationship between Superman and Wonder Woman and a romantic relationship between Lois and Clark.

It just means things change. Ideas change. Ideas evolve. Like Steve was written out as love interest to big brother. Many writers are on record to say Lois and Clark while an important part of the mythos do not need to be married. But did not stop DC from do it officially in canon. Now they saw the need to change it again.

Things haven't changed that much, but then it's still too early to tell what the real changes will be or if they'll be long lasting. Lois and Clark may not "need" to be married yet they don't need to not be married either, and there's a big difference between not married and not crushing on, dating, in love, etc. The triangle-for-two, which relies on attraction between Lois, Clark, and Superman, is something many of those writers favored in lieu of marriage because it facilitates a prolonged and dynamic chase storyline. The change DC made from the married canon of the Post-Crisis to the un-married canon now is more the result of wanting to tell the story from the beginning. Whether that means long-term, drastic changes are on the horizon remains to be seen. What interests me is Steve Trevor will be featured as a love interest in Amazon and Grant Morrison's Wonder Woman: Earth One and Lois and Superman have sparks in Man of Steel. Both suggest that those relationships haven't lost steam yet.

I think changes reflect the current culture in literature/entertainment etc. Power couples are bigger today than ever.

They are? Of the pairings in Marvel movies I've seen, such as Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America couples like Pepper Potts and Tony Stark, Thor and Jane, Captain America and Peggy weren't "power couples."

Plus we have books looking at Superman as a widower in the Beyond books. Life goes on. Nothing is set in stone and there is no one ending. Nor should it be. Else we'd never have stories.

Superman as a widower isn't anti-Lois/Clark. Even though Lois isn't alive in the Superman: Beyond, she still has a role in it because Superman's longing and grief for Lois is a part of the story.

[thepenguin]

I think you're describing For the Man Who Has Everything and not Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow. Moore has Superman voluntarily relinquish his powers using gold kryptonite out of shame for murdering Mxy in Whatever Happened to the Man of Tomorrow. His inability to be Superman is presented as less of a detriment to humanity because the events that led up to the epic battle with Mxy involved the destruction of many of his adversaries such as Brainiac, Lex Luthor, and Mxy. He doesn't stop being Superman for Lois or to marry Lois, in other words, and the marriage itself is shown to produce a superpowered baby. Nothing is said about Wonder Woman in the story. For the Man Who Has Everything does involve Wonder Woman, but it in no way suggests they would inevitably get together. In fact it does the opposite. Batman and Wonder Woman fight Mongul, who has put Superman in a trance, and in the battle Diana says she and Superman are "just good friends." Once freed from Mongul's manipulation, Superman and Wonder Woman share a scene together where he says them getting together is "too predictable." None of what Moore wrote in either What Happened to the Man of Tomorrow or For the Man Who Has Everything supports anything more than a platonic relationship between Superman and Wonder Woman and a romantic relationship between Lois and Clark.



Things haven't changed that much, but then it's still too early to tell what the real changes will be or if they'll be long lasting. Lois and Clark may not "need" to be married yet they don't need to not be married either, and there's a big difference between not married and not crushing on, dating, in love, etc. The triangle-for-two, which relies on attraction between Lois, Clark, and Superman, is something many of those writers favored in lieu of marriage because it facilitates a prolonged and dynamic chase storyline. The change DC made from the married canon of the Post-Crisis to the un-married canon now is more the result of wanting to tell the story from the beginning. Whether that means long-term, drastic changes are on the horizon remains to be seen. What interests me is Steve Trevor will be featured as a love interest in Amazon and Grant Morrison's Wonder Woman: Earth One and Lois and Superman have sparks in Man of Steel. Both suggest that those relationships haven't lost steam yet.



They are? Of the pairings in Marvel movies I've seen, such as Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America couples like Pepper Potts and Tony Stark, Thor and Jane, Captain America and Peggy weren't "power couples."



Superman as a widower isn't anti-Lois/Clark. Even though Lois isn't alive in the Superman: Beyond, she still has a role in it because Superman's longing and grief for Lois is a part of the story.

Thanks the correction of the title. I know what I mean and you know what I mean clearly. And yes, it did implied that they would become lovers. I stick by that and if he really thought that SM and WW were not a good pairing, why have it for his Twilight of Superheroes pitch?

And as for Superman needing to grieve for Lois as part of the story. I sincerely doubt he is going to let it stop him from living. Hopefully he will not let it become something morbid and emotionally stunt him. If he did then I would say that relationship taught him nothing.

And arguing we will see Steve again has zero to do with superman and wonder woman. Steve blew his chance for now in this book. Diana is choosing to be with Clark. What happens in Morrison's book has nothing to do with the topic. It is just an illustration that stories can be different and have diffferent endings and nothing has to be set in stone. So while Smallville can have Clark and Lois, the new 52 can have him and Diana.

I fact ...it does. It is the current status quo and that is what we are talking about. Not about Lois. You don;t have to see everytime Lois' name mentioned as some desire to jump up and try to argue as if it is some anti clois statement. It is said in the context of superman/wonder woman.

Batman and Catwoman were a power couple and they far more interesting that those couples you mentioned imo. Plus other franchises are about power couples like X-men.

[misslane38]

Thanks the correction of the title. I know what I mean and you know what I mean clearly. And yes, it did implied that they would become lovers. I stick by that and if he really thought that SM and WW were not a good pairing, why have it for his Twilight of Superheroes pitch?

It does not imply that they would become lovers. There is one narration line when the Justice League shows up to aid Superman at his Fortress that says his friends and those "who might have been lovers" were there. The very next page is Superman telling Perry White that there's only ever been "one woman for him" and that she was Lois Lane. I'm not sure why Superman and Wonder Woman factor into his Twilight of the Superheroes pitch other than there seems to be a trend of them being coupled up in cautionary tale stories.

And as for Superman needing to grieve for Lois as part of the story. I sincerely doubt he is going to let it stop him from living. Hopefully he will not let it become something morbid and emotionally stunt him. If he did then I would say that relationship taught him nothing.

I in no way implied that Superman had to be in a perpetual state of grief that involves abandoning life or stunting him. I would like for Superman to move on as well. However, my point was that Beyond isn't a story that dismisses the Superman and Lois relationship or their marriage. It suggests that loving Lois and marrying her is still a part of Superman's story, and that she was his soul mate. In my view, Superman Beyond would have to be set in a more typical continuity setting (e.g. Superman in his 20's) and would have to not utilize the Lois and Clark romance for narrative and emotional substance in order for it to work as convincing proof that the mood has shifted away from Superman and Lois.

And arguing we will see Steve again has zero to do with superman and wonder woman. Steve blew his chance for now in this book. Diana is choosing to be with Clark. What happens in Morrison's book has nothing to do with the topic. It is just an illustration that stories can be different and have diffferent endings and nothing has to be set in stone. So while Smallville can have Clark and Lois, the new 52 can have him and Diana.

What? You were talking about popular culture so I brought up examples of how both Steve and Lois are still thriving in popular culture as Diana's and Clark's love interests respectively. If popular culture has created a trend where power couples are mainstays, one would think that would be evident in upcoming stories featuring Superman and Wonder Woman. Consequently, the New 52 may be playing with Superman and Wonder Woman now, but there's no guarantee that they'll endure as a couple on the basis of pop culture trends alone which I believe was the gist of your original argument was it not?

Batman and Catwoman were a power couple and they far more interesting that those couples you mentioned imo. Plus other franchises are about power couples like X-men.

"Interesting" doesn't matter when we're talking about trends. You argued that power couples were trendy, yet I was able to provide examples of non-power couples in pop culture. Seems to me there's a good mix of both forms of couples, which is why I don't think it's a constructive line of argument. Besides, I could just as easily point to Batman and Catwoman's coupling in Dark Knight Rises as proof that traditional canon couples remain valuable to storytellers like Nolan whose produced Man of Steel tellingly features Lois and Superman romantically.

[brettc1]

Ultimately any partner for Superman is going to bring companionship for him.

One of the reasons I dont like it...but no, that's actually not the point of the thread.

[Bluebow]

If they did get together and had a child in a similar plotline to the creation of Helena Wayne in another universe, just imagine the potential powers of Hippolyta Kent.

[Aquacatlungfish]

His run on Wonder Woman goes beyond simply being bad.

It's so beyond bad it's actually quite good. Best Wonder Woman has been in years. Azzarello is the best writer she's had in the modern era. But I'll be fair and say that that title will probably be taken away by Grant Morrison very soon.

It is an act of vandalism, an expression of spite and scorn against the character, an attempt to destroy her and her world.

It isn't vandalism.Vandalism is destroying a property. Azzarello is improving the property and selling it making it more valuable and giving it acclaim due to great writing, dialogue and the perfect depiction of Wonder Woman with fantastic artwork. If Azzarello hated Wonder Woman he wouldn't write her.

It should be noted, that as good as Azzarello is at writing Wonder Woman, as bad is he att witing Superman.

For tomorrow was, in a litterary quality -meaning, a monumental failure on his part. There's no two ways about it. ( yes sales were quite good, but the fact was that he had Jim Lee on art-duties, and his art have sold many a badly written book)

Azzarrello is a fine writer and a gentleman in most other aspects however, and he did help to save the house of one of Superman's creators.

But his shot at Superman was a grave mis-fire... Please accept that, AND that the majority of us online fans feel the same way.

I didn't like the first six issues of For Tomorrow but that part wasn't "worst Superman story ever" material and he shouldn't be judged for that. The reason it was despised was because of people expecting an action blockbuster because of Jim Lee. He took another shot at Superman with "Lex Luthor: Man of Steel" and it's one of the best Superman stories of the last decade.

Batman and Catwoman were a power couple and they far more interesting that those couples you mentioned imo. Plus other franchises are about power couples like X-men.

I hate to get into this boring discussion but there's a clear difference between BatCat and SMWW. BatCat is interesting because it's a dedicated Superhero like Batman getting involved with a criminal whih is interesting and they play off each other as Batman is very serious and Cat Woman is playful and fun. SMWW is two happy supeheroes with similar personalities getting involved win no chemistry at all.

[Fate's Faith]

But WW/SM has not really been built on that. My bigger concern is how it will end. Because if writers were okay with a relationship being permanent, he'd still be with Lois. Sooner or later a creative team is going to want to do something different. And of course, there is always Steve Trevor and Lois sitting the background. Waiting.

That is always going to be the case. Someone else will want to change things up, go back to how it was, redo in a different way then someone after them will want to change it all again. I think though one of the smartest writers has taken the character of Steve Trevor and basically given him his balls back. He's not just Wonder Woman crush any more and is a fully realized character within the same universe as she. Lois has already been somewhat well developed beyond Superman that now she has the chance to also be more than just the girlfriend/wife. I think that's one of the more refreshing things they've done this time around. Not just repeat the same old routine as we've seen with these characters but check them out and see where they fit if there were no Superman or Wonder Woman. I know I enjoy Steve more now than I ever have and I love this friendship Lois has with Clark. They sort of remind me of the couple that could see themselves together but can't figure it out so they just ignore the attraction and pursue others. They aren't just waiting any longer which actually makes them seem more deserving of the heroes (especially in Steve's case).