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I'm just going off of what the read. Hal told Superman that the team knows very lettle about him--in fact they knew literally everyone else's secret ID's aside from his till Cyborg sorta told them. Hal says that Superman seems like a nice guy and when he talks he says the right things, but that's it. To me that really just says that Superman is by natuer is a nice person and easy to like I guess but that doesn't mean they know him.
That instance happend 4 years ago (new 52 time) and in the present it can be assumed that the team now knows more about him like his secret ID but that sounds like that's it along with some rudimentary stuff.
Sounds like he only really talks to Batman and Cyborg (they seem to have a cool little trio going)
I just think Wonder Woman was more open with the team from the start given how bold and bombastic she was at the start and the fact that she has no other ID.
Just seems like Superman is finally opening up if you ask me.
As a self-appointed ombudsman between humans and gods, shouldn't Wonder Woman be attempting to build bridges between the two groups? And, if that's the case, why not start with her own life? How can Diana link the two worlds together if she fears connecting with humans? As someone who should be attempting to build trust, she should be someone who demonstrates it. Why is it that Lois Lane can see that an Atlantean who saved her life means humans and heroes no harm, but Wonder Woman remains cautious and mistrustful? Azzarello's Wonder Woman says she loves everyone, but that love remains woefully abstract. She is loyal and will fiercely protect those she cares about but stops short at opening her heart to new people. Yes, Wonder Woman's life recently has been marred by betrayals and loss. Nonetheless, it seems odd to me that these things would have left her so fearful, closed off, and hopeless that she can't even open her heart a tiny bit with someone like Clark Kent.First, the stuff about her own title is largely because original WW's reason for leaving Paradise Island are so tied to WW2 that all attempts to update them make them more abstract. Azzarello has her as a sort of self appointed ombudsman between human's and Gods because she is neither (I like this approach). With the alternate life as Clark Kent, Superman has a different experience of being there but not belonging.
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She doesn't remain cautious and mistrustful in her own title; if anything she's far too trusting and usually assumes the best in people rather than the worst. The only time she thought the worst she turned out to be wrong (and tbh that's still up in the air). And her trust pays off.
Her loving everyone also plays a much larger part in her own book. If she didn't she wouldn't have been able to save Hades with her love, she wouldn't have been able to makes those connections so well with Zola, she wouldn't be able to forge new bonds with Siracca, and she wouldn’t be able to show such compassion to Hera, the woman (since she's now human) who murdered her mother.
Johns just has a very different idea of what WW should be and where he wants to take the character, it's just infuriating that his take is so contradictory to what Azzarello's is.
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The mass media is completely irrelevant. They have no bearing on the stories. Hanging on their interpretation of presenting the news and attributing it to those actually telling the tales is not at all fair. How, inside the actual pages where it actually matters, has this come across as turning WW into "Superwoman"?. Because she's accepted a date with him and dares to be interested in his past? Why is it that any character who dares to court Wonder Woman is interpreted as some sort of slap in the face to her? Because it happens all the time. Whether its Steve, Trevor Barnes, Nemesis, Superman...there's always something to get offended over.
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Broken because a friend was nearly killed by a villain? A kiss from Superman will make the pain fade. Losing faith in your instincts and your belief that there is good in the world? Just remember that Superman holds onto Smallville. Need to find a way to unplug? Just wear a pair of glasses. Wonder Woman's personal crises are being used as an opportunity to showcase Superman. Clark isn't just helping Diana to trust him by sharing his past; he's sharing his past as a means of giving her his answers to her problems. Wonder Woman seems to be learning to trust herself by learning to trust Superman.
As to what could be brought by Wonder Woman, well there is the power of the gods as back up in some cases. One could argue understanding different view points in reagards to things around the world. I think everyone pretty much said what I was going to say about what she would or could emotionally bring.
But that does bring up a question. So Lets say Clark does find out about the slave issues. Wouldn't he, given his standard now get rather upset with Diana over that? Could that cause a riff later on? Then there's the issues of Lana Lang (is she still around?) and possible Lori (the mermaid, which would be an interesting thing for Diana to deal with given the differences in their personalities) as a triangle person, since apparent Lois can't be, for the future (becuase you know that romances in serialization must have some form of conflict, if it's not a "We can't be together because of X" problem, than it's going to be another person in their lives)?
Clark has often shown while in one relationship he can actually give himself to that relationship. Triangles are lazy and cliched.
Azzarello's WW to be honest, I am wondering how many of those changes will stick after he goes. But Azzarello seems not to care about WW's history. On the whole. Johns is still trying to play and update them. Until we can see those changes of WW influence the wider DCU, I am not sure how it will affect the character. She's gotten some new powers for example, who knows if they are going to be used in the DCU.She barely even flies in her own book even though she got the power of flight.Azzarello is world building and who knows what's next. Johns probably doesn't. It's like when Morrison was building Action. Perez didn't know what was happening.
But end of the day Johns has things to work with. WW has a history and she should not only be about Gods. Geoff is telling her story of her arrival in the world and her relationships etc because Azzarello in interviews has never really said he had interest in that. He is focused on the mythology side.
If the Superman and JL writers are willing to take the slack and write her in those books then that fine for now. Azzarello will not stay indefintely and the Gods plotting can't be dragged on and on. Look at WW as just fleshing out one aspect of her story. JL another.
I'm actually going to be serious and respond to the post.
It's a relationship of necessity. Both have been lonely for most of their lives. Neither have been very lucky in love and when they were there is always the element of protecting that person not only from Villains but from themselves since the people they love are human and could be hurt by the slightest wrong touch.
I think they feel since both lead similar lives and are both super human that they could let down there guard and just let go. There may not be actually love there but it may be all they have to go with right now. So they both bring the same thing to the table broken hearts and a need to be loved.
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