Underused or Undervalued Avengers Villains that could become A-List

[Monty_Cristo]

Sometimes its best to let sleeping dogs lay, I don't think there is any reason to bring him back.

maybe to redefine him in a usable way for the Ant-Man movie. he'd work just fine as Elias Star; employee of A.I.M. Egghead was a nickname; like with Adlai Stevenson.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

maybe to redefine him in a usable way for the Ant-Man movie. he'd work just fine as Elias Star; employee of A.I.M. Egghead was a nickname; like with Adlai Stevenson.

Movies are different from comics and villains are often used differently in a movie then the comics. Obadiah Stane didn't come back to life in the comics after he was the main villain in the Iron Man movie, Sebastian Shaw didn't become a Nazi because he worked with the Nazis in X-Men First Class. I have not heard any word that Egghead is going to be the villain in the Ant Man movie and if he is used he will likely be different then he is the comics.

If Egghead does return from the dead, it shouldn't be because he might appear in a movie, he should come back from the dead if there is a compelling reason that makes sense in the comics.

[celticguy]

yeah they would not need to call him egghead they could use it in a mocking way if at all.

[Monty_Cristo]

Movies are different from comics and villains are often used differently in a movie then the comics. Obadiah Stane didn't come back to life in the comics after he was the main villain in the Iron Man movie,

they created Ezekiel Stane to fill that role.

Sebastian Shaw didn't become a Nazi because he worked with the Nazis in X-Men First Class.

that's because his movie character was a blend of Shaw and Mister Sinister (who was an ally of the nazis). and Shaw did reappear in the books post First-Class.

I have not heard any word that Egghead is going to be the villain in the Ant Man movie and if he is used he will likely be different then he is the comics.

If Egghead does return from the dead, it shouldn't be because he might appear in a movie, he should come back from the dead if there is a compelling reason that makes sense in the comics.

that is a compelling reason. he's one of Pym's original foes. out of all of those morts, he's most deserving of a revamp. he put Pym in prison. he killed Barney Barton. he led 2 Masters of Evil groups. he was the villain in the most recent Season 1 Ant-Man book. he was one of the Intelligencia. surely, he had some kind of backup plan in the case of his death. it's just common sense that if they've elevated Pym as a character that some of his old sparring partners would get similar treatment.

[Dr. Sonic]

I agree that Egghead should be the villain in the AntMan movie (if it ever happens), with Whirlwind as his flunky.
As for the Marvel 616 universe, however, I'd say leave the original Egghead dead and focus instead on the Microverse/robot version from the Young Avengers/Vengeance books.

[The Master Meglomaniac]

they created Ezekiel Stane to fill that role.

They still didn't bring back Obadiah though, this would indicate that if Egghead is in the movie, they would just have some relative of his would take up his cause, rather then the man himself.

that's because his movie character was a blend of Shaw and Mister Sinister (who was an ally of the nazis). and Shaw did reappear in the books post First-Class.

Still they didn't try introduce that blended Shaw/Sinister character in the comics, so the movie version was still very much separate from the comic book version.

that is a compelling reason. he's one of Pym's original foes. out of all of those morts, he's most deserving of a revamp. he put Pym in prison. he killed Barney Barton. he led 2 Masters of Evil groups. he was the villain in the most recent Season 1 Ant-Man book. he was one of the Intelligencia. surely, he had some kind of backup plan in the case of his death. it's just common sense that if they've elevated Pym as a character that some of his old sparring partners would get similar treatment.

But the problem is, if you bring a character back from the dead and the reasoning behind his return seems contrived, it undermines the character's return in the first place. When Aunt May died in the 90s and was brought, the way she was brought back was so badly written it undermined both Aunt May and Peter Parker as characters and did them both a disservice. I think Spidey would have been better off if Aunt May had stayed dead in the 90s. The problem with bringing a character back to life, is it undermines the concept of death in comics and its hard to have stakes in a universe where death meaningless.

So yeah, Egghead does need a better reason to return then being one of Hank Pym's old enemies. If Egghead's death is going to be overturned, the reasoning has to be really good, otherwise its going to be really hackneyed and contrived and thus not a good story. Egghead needs a better reason to return then Hank needs another evil genius to fight and the Intelligentsia needs another member. He has dead for 30 years, you can't just bring him back with some glossed over explanation. If Egghead had some "back up plan in case of his death" then the question is where has he been all these years? Also I think the story where died was a kinda of fitting end for the character, so you are going to overturn it, you need a good reason for it. There have great stories where a character died and bringing them back would undermine those stories, which is why I am hesitant to bring back characters from the dead in general. Plus there is no evidence Egghead will be the villain in the Ant Man movie.