Indestructible Hulk #2 *Spoilers*

**Venom Melendez** · 12-20-2012, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by jackolover

I hope it has gone some way to address the shooting Hulk into space, thing. They needed to talk about that privately.

Esepcially since Stark is the only Member of the Illuminati that hasn't apologized.

Well, Black Bolt hasn't apologized either, but he was never that close to Hulk anyway.

Originally Posted by scribbleMind

Personally, I prefer more Banner in the Banner/Hulk ratio. I feel like there's been waaaay too much Hulk for too long as far as that balance is concerned.

Except that is not true at all, it has always been a balance between Hulk and Banner. That's how it should be.

Besides, as the PAD and Pak runs have proven, they are really two side of the same person.

**tabo61** · 12-20-2012, 06:54 PM

Great issue. I liked how Waid sets up the fight bewteen Tony and Hulk over Banner's ego. After what happened in this issue I assume it'll be Reed Richards whose next is going to feel the wrath of Banner involving who is the smartest person in the world and Spiderman(Sorry, I meant Doc Ock ) is probably next in that Superior Spiderman book coming.

**NinjaMic** · 12-21-2012, 07:50 PM

Pak has yet to write something as good as Planet Hulk and Aaron's run was the worst thing he's ever written.

Go Waid

**rastafarian42** · 12-21-2012, 08:14 PM

Originally Posted by jackolover

I hope it has gone some way to address the shooting Hulk into space, thing. They needed to talk about that privately.

It kinda was I don't think Tony and the rest of the Illuminati had apologized for sending Bruce into space yet.

**Wellman** · 12-21-2012, 09:14 PM

I have to admit, due to his intelligence rarely being put on display outside of gamma related and Hulk cure stuff, I never took Banner seriously as one of the smartest guys in the Marvel universe but with books like this, I am coming around to the idea.

**Talisman** · 12-22-2012, 08:58 AM

Originally Posted by Movieartman

..... whats wrong with Segovia? up until very recently i thought he was much better than YU, yeah he can be stiff, but YU in his new avengers days was nothing but stiff.

at his best, Segovia is a poor mans Yu

**jackolover** · 12-24-2012, 01:37 PM

See, I think there is tension here between Bruce Banner and Tony Stark, and that's why Stark sent Banner into space as the Hulk. Bruce was an Agent of SHIELD for Nick Fury when Banner tried to help with the Gods Eye satellite. Tony Stark was still of the opinion that when the Illuminati sent Hulk to Planet Sakaar, that the Hulk was irredeemable. It was this issue, by Mark Waid, that changed that. Banner had a plan to that involved Bruce, being in charge of himself, and giving SHIELD the benefit of his ability to focus the Hulk. Nobody believes him, not Maria Hill, and not Tony Stark. In fact that experiment in the Himilayas failed, because the Gamma Fracker exploded and nearly killed Iron Man. But it was the Hulk that saved him, and the Hulk knew what the Fracker could do, so Hulk isn't as dumb as he is always made up to be.

The problem is the ego of Stark, is that Stark thinks the Hulk can't be trusted. The ego of Banner is that he thinks, He himself, can be trusted. I wonder which one is right? Mark Waid would have us believe Banner can negotiate the Hulk into little packages like working in a lab as a scientist, and, being in the field Hulking out for the good of the world. Hulk just came from a fluid Planet Sakaar where his wife gave birth to two children, both unpredictable, and Banner thinks a normal life on Earth is possible? Good Luck Mark Waid. I hope you're right.

Myself, I actually wanted to see Phil Coulson and Maria Hill together in this. Phil sounds like the movie Coulson, and I like that guy, and want to see him in an authoritive role against Hill. For the first two issues, this is the thing that this series has me interested in. Where is Phil Coulson, Mark Waid?

**HaveAtThee** · 12-24-2012, 07:49 PM

I miss Stark being an alcoholic though. I do like the witty banter but he clogs up too much dialogue, even in guest appearances in others' titles. It's why I enjoyed Banner letting off some steam toward Stark. Tony should respect him. Much in the same way he respects Thor and actually considers him a god despite his devotion to science.

I'm waiting for the inevitable Thor appearance in this title, but I'd rather it be a team-up rather than a fight. I can see Waid having a cool little cameo by Thor. Do we have enough evidence of Banner and Thor getting along on some level?

**jackolover** · 12-25-2012, 05:25 AM

Originally Posted by HaveAtThee

I miss Stark being an alcoholic though. I do like the witty banter but he clogs up too much dialogue, even in guest appearances in others' titles. It's why I enjoyed Banner letting off some steam toward Stark. Tony should respect him. Much in the same way he respects Thor and actually considers him a god despite his devotion to science.

I'm waiting for the inevitable Thor appearance in this title, but I'd rather it be a team-up rather than a fight. I can see Waid having a cool little cameo by Thor. Do we have enough evidence of Banner and Thor getting along on some level?

Well, in the 4 issue mini of Thor and Iron Man in the Heroic Age, there was as good example of that teamup, already being strengthened. I don't see Thor and Tony having any more issues with each other. But Hulk and Thor haven't met besides The Bendis 8 issue Avengers Assembled and they got on fine in that. They also were on the same team in AVX, but there wasn't really any time for any pleasantries.

**Joe Acro** · 12-25-2012, 12:12 PM

I admit that I don't really get this issue. Banner seems to take Tony to the mountains for something, but seems to be fighting his transformation. Like he didn't want to fight Tony, but knew it'd happen anyway. So why take him? Why fight that inevitable fight? It's odd. And since that's pretty much the whole comic, I guess I don't get the issue as a whole. What was the point?

**dupersuper** · 12-25-2012, 07:02 PM

Originally Posted by HaveAtThee

I'm waiting for the inevitable Thor appearance in this title, but I'd rather it be a team-up rather than a fight. I can see Waid having a cool little cameo by Thor. Do we have enough evidence of Banner and Thor getting along on some level?

Originally Posted by jackolover

Well, in the 4 issue mini of Thor and Iron Man in the Heroic Age, there was as good example of that teamup, already being strengthened.

I remember them getting together as Bruce and Donald in Hickmans FF books to try to comfort Thing when they thought Johnny was dead: he wouldn't let them comfort him so they turned into Thor and Hulk so Thing had guys he could safely beat on to let his frustrations out.

**jackolover** · 12-25-2012, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Joe Acro

I admit that I don't really get this issue. Banner seems to take Tony to the mountains for something, but seems to be fighting his transformation. Like he didn't want to fight Tony, but knew it'd happen anyway. So why take him? Why fight that inevitable fight? It's odd. And since that's pretty much the whole comic, I guess I don't get the issue as a whole. What was the point?

Banner was trying to transform into Hulk slowly and at his pace, to fight Stark. But smart alleck Stark started fiddling with Banners Fracker, which Bruce didn't want fiddled, and Hulked out too early. Banner wanted Stark to respect him, so he thought he would beat the respect into Stark? I don't know. It was the Hulks idea, and a stupid one.

**jackolover** · 12-25-2012, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by dupersuper

I remember them getting together as Bruce and Donald in Hickmans FF books to try to comfort Thing when they thought Johnny was dead: he wouldn't let them comfort him so they turned into Thor and Hulk so Thing had guys he could safely beat on to let his frustrations out.

Yeah, that was a pretty good moment from Hickman. I never would have thought other writers would have done that scene. It came out of left field, and was an emotionally charged return to the first, angry Thing at the start of the FF in 1961. So seeing that Ben was very nostalgic, and for the Avengers to acknowledge Ben as an equal to Thor and Hulk was a pretty big thing, ( no pun intended). I would like it acknowledged that the brute force squad, had a club, and that as a member of that club they had a sort of fraternity of help, like AA.

**HaveAtThee** · 12-25-2012, 09:18 PM

Originally Posted by dupersuper

I remember them getting together as Bruce and Donald in Hickmans FF books to try to comfort Thing when they thought Johnny was dead: he wouldn't let them comfort him so they turned into Thor and Hulk so Thing had guys he could safely beat on to let his frustrations out.

That's an interesting idea. I can see Thor doing the same for Banner. Imagine Bruce "praying" to Thor to help him blow off some steam. I just think that the other Avengers should stop being terrified of Hulk, which is why I like Waid's idea of having Hulk be coherent enough.

**Ptrvc** · 12-25-2012, 09:30 PM

Originally Posted by jackolover

Yeah, that was a pretty good moment from Hickman. I never would have thought other writers would have done that scene. It came out of left field, and was an emotionally charged return to the first, angry Thing at the start of the FF in 1961. So seeing that Ben was very nostalgic, and for the Avengers to acknowledge Ben as an equal to Thor and Hulk was a pretty big thing, ( no pun intended). I would like it acknowledged that the brute force squad, had a club, and that as a member of that club they had a sort of fraternity of help, like AA.

I get why Hulk was there, he and Thing have had this rivalry/respect thing going for years now. Thor being there was a bit more out of left field, I've just never felt the two had any sort of connection.