Thunderbolts #2 *Spoilers*

**IndigoMX9** · 12-20-2012, 10:35 AM

Originally Posted by Robby Robot

I echo a lot of the sentiments here.

Better than issue 1 but still not that good.

Art isn't dynamic enough for such an action-oriented team.

Deadpool by Way is so, so bad. Especially after reading a fan-freaking-tastic Deadpool by Remender in Uncanny X-Force #35.

I'm not familiar with Deadpool, I thought that the Pool-O-Vision was kind of cool and a part of his comic relief personality?

Originally Posted by TsaiMeLemoni

I know Way's writing will continue to be a turn-off for many, but I wonder how many people will give this book a second chance with the artist change coming in issue #7.

Wait until you see his Elektra drawings, she looks awesome!

http://www.comicvine.com/elektra/29-...0/105-2017387/

**TsaiMeLemoni** · 12-20-2012, 10:46 AM

I've seen that and some of his work on UXF. Definitely looks good; while I will be in the clear minority, I think I will actually miss Dillon though. His style is just very different from everything else available right now, and I think it helps differentiate the style and tone of the Thunderbolts from the rest of the Marvel NOW books.

**Jeremi** · 12-20-2012, 12:19 PM

Daniel Way's probably the worst writer Marvel has on at the moment, and this was pretty much same old same old from him.

It's sad because I really want to like the book since I'm a fan of some of the characters on the book, but his tendencies to write his characters OOC and his absolutely horrendous Deadpool leaves a bitter taste in my mouth.

Phil Noto coming on would've been the icing on the cake had we gotten a writer switch with it too.

**Talkie Toaster** · 12-20-2012, 01:25 PM

I know Way can do no good with most people on the internet, and I can't really say this book has totally grabbed me yet but I do think it has great potential.

Castle and Ross are a great pairing. And now that they'll add Sterns to the mix, I'll definitely stay around for the first arc at least.

Besides with Waid totally letting me down with Indestructible Hulk and the Punisher no longer having his own comic this is the only title left where I can still get my Hulk and Punisher fix.

**Bookem Danno** · 12-20-2012, 03:30 PM

I thought this issue was pretty good - and thought #1 was pretty good (contrary to many here apparently). The team set-up is pretty good, the absence of Mercy was disappointing, the surprise of Sterns was intriguing, and unfortunately Deadpool is not fun here (don't like him in X-Force either). The cover was awesome, the bartendress and reporter deserved names, and someone has to detail Ross' ring for me. Sticking with the title for now (maybe they should've be called The Lightning instead).

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**crossbones** · 12-21-2012, 01:10 PM

i thought the first 2 issues of this were pretty good. i'd say this new version of "Thunderbolts" is off to a slow but promising start.

i've never read a book by Daniel Way before, so i can't join the hatefest that's going on around here. i'll be sticking with this for the first arc at least.

**NinjaMic** · 12-21-2012, 08:37 PM

Save those 2 Deadpool panels, this surprisingly wasnt bad

**Professor Moriarty** · 12-22-2012, 07:06 PM

when is the team going to acknowledge that they are called The Thunderbolts?

**TsaiMeLemoni** · 12-22-2012, 07:09 PM

Originally Posted by Professor Moriarty

when is the team going to acknowledge that they are called The Thunderbolts?

My bet is toward the end of this arc or the beginning of the next, if ever.

**jackolover** · 12-25-2012, 09:08 PM

I've just read this, and read the Ross Credo delivered to CNN, and it seems like a recipe for disaster, because it is the exact same as Nick Fury's Secret War, that got him fired from SHIELD. No wonder this team are going to be hunted by everyone for the actions they take, but I like it. When everyone uses politics to absolve themselves of wrongdoing, while innocents are slaughtered, it was just like Kampuchea when the Viet Cong overthrew the Khmer Rouge, and stopped the killing fields. Nobody in the wider community had the nerve to go in there and stop the slaughter, but as soon a Vietnam went in, they were the bad guys. I admired Vietnam for doing what nobody else had the guts to do, and I admire Gen Ross for what he is about to do.

**RobertoDaCosta** · 12-28-2012, 11:31 PM

i felt like nothing really happened this issue... it was too slow
i loved the concept at first but these missiones out of the blue, it seems like the book does not serve a clear purpose.
considering dropping it. so far loving the covers, but the interior art.. this just isn't my style...
i fell it utterly emotionless... which is a bad thing considering there are lots of shots and wounds.

**Bionder** · 12-29-2012, 01:06 AM

Originally Posted by RobertoDaCosta

i felt like nothing really happened this issue... it was too slow
i loved the concept at first but these missiones out of the blue, it seems like the book does not serve a clear purpose.
considering dropping it. so far loving the covers, but the interior art.. this just isn't my style...
i fell it utterly emotionless... which is a bad thing considering there are lots of shots and wounds.

If you wait till issue #7 you will see a new artist, Phil Noto.

**TsaiMeLemoni** · 12-29-2012, 05:11 AM

Originally Posted by RobertoDaCosta

i felt like nothing really happened this issue... it was too slow
i loved the concept at first but these missiones out of the blue, it seems like the book does not serve a clear purpose.
considering dropping it. so far loving the covers, but the interior art.. this just isn't my style...
i fell it utterly emotionless... which is a bad thing considering there are lots of shots and wounds.

Interesting thoughts.

Compared to the first issue, a ton of stuff happened in this one; as far as missions out of the blue and the book not serving a clear purpose, we got a pretty clear example that Ross knew of a dictator that was killing his own people, but since it wasn't a 'big' problem no one was doing anything about it. That is the purpose of this team, imo: hitting the targets that other teams can't/won't.

We also got two events to create solidarity and agency amongst the team: the discovery that the dictator has access to gamma powered projectile weaponry, and the capture of Elektra and Deadpool (though I wouldn't be surprised if they spring themselves from capture without difficulty). We also got our first twist with the revelation that Samuel Sterns is providing Ross intel in some capacity.

I'll give you the art, it certainly isn't everyone's cup of tea and took me a while to get used to. As far as things feeling emotionless...I think outside of anger, there will be a severe lack of emotion simply because of who these characters are. They don't get mopey, and they don't feel bad about killing.

All in all, if you don't like the book and want to drop go ahead, I just think you are glancing over the book judging on your comments. For a new series with just two issues, I think it's doing great, and I look forward to seeing how the rest of this arc plays out.

**klinton** · 12-30-2012, 09:57 AM

I'm a little behind in my reading and I just read this today. It was light years ahead of the first issue, imho. The book went from merely 'okay' to 'what happens next??' for me with this issue.

The dialogue was snappy (I loved the whole page with the journalist). The art was less rigid. The plot itself was well paced. More happened in this issue than in many other books I've read over the past few weeks.

Good stuff! :D