Do U Consider Magneto to be an X-Men?

[darknessatnoon]

I hate how it's always about Wanda and Pietro, when what he did to Lorna was so much worse.

Lorna isn't his daughter. She's just some clone, and PAD is ridiculous.

[yanapryde]

Emma and Magneto are at their most compelling when "playing" on the side of angels, largely because of their duplicitous pasts.
Their continuous debate of following any moral compass from one situation to the next is what makes them so much more interesting to read.

The question, the struggle and the outcome.

[darknessatnoon]

Wrong, yanapryde.

[yanapryde]

Emma and Magneto are at their most compelling when "playing" on the side of angels, largely because of their duplicitous pasts.
Their continuous debate of following any moral compass from one situation to the next is what makes them so much more interesting to read.

The question, the struggle and the outcome.

Not unlike darknessatnoon.
Total dick about 92% of the time, but then every so often that sliver of "nice" slips through those vicious, vicious, fingers, into the keyboard and onto the computer screen.

[MartinRedmond]

[.A²]

Lorna isn't his daughter. She's just some clone, and PAD is ridiculous.

Magneto deals with his clones.

[MartinRedmond]

Magneto deals with his clones.

Getting rid of the guy Rogue actually loved. What a goon.

[darknessatnoon]

[MartinRedmond]

Once he was a young man... in bed.

[darknessatnoon]

Magneto, sex police



Still preaching mutant supremacy to mutant children.



Bonus Hope cosplay

[darknessatnoon]

useless

[Filip]

Ugh, that flaccid asshole and his puritan sexual morality. Thank Casey for Ult Unlifier and his guns.

[magnuskn]

Emma and Magneto are at their most compelling when "playing" on the side of angels, largely because of their duplicitous pasts.
Their continuous debate of following any moral compass from one situation to the next is what makes them so much more interesting to read.

The question, the struggle and the outcome.

Quite so. I guess a lot of how one perceives Magneto also stems from how one regards the concept of redemption.

[Yogaflame]

Well, I get your sentiment that Emma is better as a villain than an X-Man (and I know you dislike her very much, according to your previous posts; sorry if I misunderstand) but I totally disagree with it.

As for Magneto, isn't assimilating former enemies into their own members a remarkable success of the X-Men?

Here's the thing; its not that I don't like Magneto or Emma, its just that I like them as villains, not heroes, not X-Men.

I think the main issue is 'what is a hero'? Hero actually comes from the ancient Egyptian word Heru, who is a god of light and good. His father Asr was killed by Set, and only through magic was his mother Ast able to conceive him. Eventually he grew up to overthrow his evil uncle and bring the lands back into Ma'at, balance and justice.

Now, Heru and Set were arch enemies, but they were also lovers and family(its weird, but stay with me). And ultimately in the mythology they are seen to be conjoined aspects of the same being.



The point is, Heru, the heroic, upstanding one, is foiled by Set, the set-ian, satanic one. Set is all about the ego, wanting power and glory only for the self, and using that power and glory to take advantage of others. Heru is powerful too, and fights, but he is not fighting for his own ego, his own glory, he is fighting for the good and glory of all! Even Set! Even his enemy.

Magneto is Set, he wants power and glory only for himself and his children/family (mutantkind), and will gladly sacrifice humanity to obtain his power and glory. Heroes, like the X-Men, should be in the mold of Heru, willing to sacrifice their own well-being for the good of all(mutants and humans).

Emma is great as a Machiavellian secret society member who uses her powers to rape and pillage, to secure her own place and the place of her select few, at the cost of all others. She is selfish, materialistic, shallow and elitist. None of those characteristics are heroic and I don't appreciate her being held up to be a hero. She's not. If anything she is being advantageous, Morrison said that pretty much verbatim through her: the X-Men were the only high profile game in town, so of course she had to come along.

As far as assimilating former enemies, indeed that is the greatest feat a hero can pull off, to truly disarm your adversary and bring them into the light as a trusted ally and friend. But the thing is, neither Magneto or Emma have truly let go of their egotistical drives. Magneto still believes mutants are the elite species set to inherit the earth. And Emma still wants minions and would gladly do anything to attain her desires. Until that transformation is fully realized, they will remain wolves in sheep's clothing.

[airdreams]

Emma is great as a Machiavellian secret society member who uses her powers to rape and pillage, to secure her own place and the place of her select few, at the cost of all others. She is selfish, materialistic, shallow and elitist. None of those characteristics are heroic and I don't appreciate her being held up to be a hero. She's not. If anything she is being advantageous, Morrison said that pretty much verbatim through her: the X-Men were the only high profile game in town, so of course she had to come along.

You left out my sentiments that her way of becoming an X-Man was utterly compelling and joining the X-Men was the making of Emma, who we love or hate but keep talking about today.

Well, it's hilariously and ridiculously simplistic to describe her using few words, like "selfish" "materialistic" ''shallow'' or "elitist''.

She'd tortured mentally her own trained original Hellions, but she sacrificed herself to save her Gen X kids' too (Generation X #25); she's always being selfish, but she still asked Adrienne, her older sister who she hated very much, for a loan when she had to get more money due to financial problems to keep feeding the whole school (Generation X #48); she had tried bought the world but she saves the world so many times with X-Men as well (I guess I needn't list those countless issues)…

See, she's complex and that's why she's a great character. Every good character is complex. Of course she's not a so-called "good" person -- walking the fine line between hero and villain is an important reason why fans love her; but she's not a so-called "bad" person too. The X-Men story is not the black-and-white Manichaeist of good guys saving the world from the bad guys, right? The good/bad dichotomy is just unwise.

And in fact, she wasn't a that important villain as Marvel hypes today. In her HFC days she and the original Hellions always battled with the New Mutants, not the X-Men; and some members eventually switching teams as what began as a bitter enmity gradually became an un-serious "rivalry". And at that time, Professor X believed that the purpose of Emma's school was instructional in the same manner as his; she had wanted to be a teacher, after all. Oh and Butter Rum (not Buttercup, if you've really read that you should konw lol).

It's her decadence that makes her seem more human than most characters. She has all the ingredients of falling apart, but it strong enough to keep herself together. That's her heroism. Not everyone is willing to save themselves.