I love Superman 4, it’s one of my favorite movies and gave me the most joy as a kid, hell I just finished watching it again today
"To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women." - Conan
But, the problem with looking at either BatO or DKR, for Superman inspiration, is that those are both largely BATMAN, stories. In both, Superman plays a support role/plot device. I really have no issue with how Superman was portrayed in DKR, because it wasn't his story. I wouldn't, however, be interested in reading that same version of a character in his own book.
So I can understand some of the concern regarding Snyder's DKR comments.
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Batman fights death, and Superman fights the impossible - Grant Morrison
LOLs were had.Nope, not gonna happen. If you like DKR then you don't like or get Superman in my book. That's the way I see it.
I address Superman as Kal, but most people know Superman as Clark Kent and calling Superman Clark is perfectly fine.
Anyone who would have a problem with people calling Superman Clark sounds completely and utterly ridiculous to me.
My friend is big Batman fan and yet he loves Batman and Robin movie and dislikes Nolan's Batman, that puzzles me but at the same time I'm not going to act like a closed-minded elitist and insult him by saying he doesn't get Batman because clearly he does plus I like Superman III and IV, which are terrible movies.
By the way he's always been called Clark even in Pre-Crisis, so I don't see your point. On the plus side nice to see more people who think Maggin is the best Superman writer, him and Swan should've written the "final" Pre-Crisis story not Alan Moore.
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No matter how many reboots, new origins, reinterpretations or suit redesigns. In the end, he will always be SUPERMAN
I have to wonder why the assumption is that simply because Snyder says he likes or is inspired by Dark Knight Returns that he means he appreciated or agreed with all aspects of Superman's characterization in Miller's story. Couldn't it just as easily be that Snyder looks to Dark Knight Returns as a inspiration for a particular theme or plot? In other words, Superman is portrayed as the establishment figure in contrast to Batman. Perhaps Snyder seeks to similarly test Superman but have him respond differently. I believe a writer can enjoy a story for what it is yet also appreciate it because it spurs new ways of thinking about characters, including how not to write them.
Alan Moore's "Whatever Happened" isn't the real final story of the Bronze Age Superman (and certainly not the final "pre-Crisis" story, as it came out about a half year after the Crisis had already ended. It was just an Imaginary Story in the vein of so many classic Imaginary Stories of the past, like Siegel's 'Death of Superman'. A lot of people seem to miss that since Imaginary Stories had mostly died out by the end of the Silver Age, but "Whatever Happened" is not an in-continuity story.
Yeah I'm one of those people who considers it the last Pre-Crisis Superman story.
I believe that was the last Pre Crisis Story and a very interesting and quite disturbing ending to say the least with Kryptonite and dead bodies from Argo City littering the Metropolis streets because of Mr. Mxyzptlk
Neither did anyone else that worked on Superman #400. They all got paid for it.Originally Posted by Van Cleef
Which is the opposite of when Miller did Batman and Daredevil, because he liked them and had stories that he wanted to tell. He even had a Superman story lined up in 1996, four years before he began work on TDKSA.There are many writers these days who work at the superhero business but they do not really like them at all. Just because there's the money. (Not necessarily a bad thing since in the good old days most writers would rather see there work for comic books as mere jobs to pay their bills).
Which would defeat the purpose of the Outsiders, which was to go against the rules of the JLA and to do things their own way. Hence the title, "The Outsiders". They're outside the law and fight for the rights of the individual, regardless of political and legal ramifications.Originally Posted by Kurosawa
1. As the intro for the story goes, all of them are imaginary.Originally Posted by stk
2. It was commissioned as the final chapter, even in spite of it being called an Imaginary Story by Schwartz. Yes, it went against the stories written by Maggin, but that's because Maggin's work pre-dated the Crisis and did not reflect what had changed. Moore's story was designed to come after the Crisis and deal with all the then relevant issues. Such as Kara's death and Captain Marvel's presence of Earth-1, as well as dissect what it meant to be Superman in spite of the tragedy, so that when it ended, there was the usual glimmer of hope and good feeling.
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