Will Wonder Woman become Diana Prince in Justice League #15? PREVIEW!

[brettc1]

Yes--assuming she comes for Brett before you!

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I have skills.

[Outside_85]

Not a problem.

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"I'm not the Brett you're looking for."

[thepenguin]

Because what works for the Kansas farmboy will automatically work for the island princess?

People should have told that to Marston before he ripped off Clark Kent. WW having the idea to wear glasses even if Clark never suggested it is such a Superman rip off...Johns is humorously homaging her past and a homage to the character Marston used as the impetus to creating a character for girls: Superman. I mean Diana suddenly getting an ID with glasses of all things by herself is a big bright idea of hers? Please.

[brettc1]

People should have told that to Marston before he ripped off Clark Kent. WW having the idea to wear glasses even if Clark never suggested it is such a Superman rip off...Johns is humorously homaging her past and a homage to the character Marston used as the impetus to creating a character for girls: Superman. I mean Diana suddenly getting an ID with glasses of all things by herself is a big bright idea of hers? Please.

It's perfectly true. Wonder Woman was created specifically to fill a perceived shortfall in the character of Superman.

[thepenguin]

That presumes that there is a need for her to have a private life and all that crap. Right now it looks like Superman is forcing his disguise on her.

Oh yes, wearing nice clothes and having a flat in London is such a great example of loving everyone and understanding everyone and everything. And he is not forcing anything on her. I suspect if Diana suggested stuff to Superman or the whole DCU you all would have zero problem with it. It's double standards or just simply insecurity and the character has to be such a paragon making her not even real. Did Steve Trevor not help her in the DVD movie in getting the obvious Clarl Kent rip off disguise? Thing is many fans can appreciate Diana getting or seeking help. If you all have a porblem with Diana listening to a friend or consider a suggestion by someone who cares for her, then like I say it is better she stays alone.

[thepenguin]

It's perfectly true. Wonder Woman was created specifically to fill a perceived shortfall in the character of Superman.

Ironic she had to stray from her roots in her new 52 to suddenly be relevant according to her current writer.

[misslane38]

Oh yes, wearing nice clothes and having a flat in London is such a great example of loving everyone and understanding everyone and everything. And he is not forcing anything on her. I suspect if Diana suggested stuff to Superman or the whole DCU you all would have zero problem with it. It's double standards or just simply insecurity and the character has to be such a paragon making her not even real. Did Steve Trevor not help her in the DVD movie in getting the obvious Clarl Kent rip off disguise? Thing is many fans can appreciate Diana getting or seeking help. If you all have a porblem with Diana listening to a friend or consider a suggestion by someone who cares for her, then like I say it is better she stays alone.

I agree that it doesn't come across as forcing, since Superman isn't threatening or tricking Diana into wearing the glasses or using a disguise if she doesn't want to. Nonetheless, and I don't know the context so this is just speculation, if Superman had the glasses on hand because he pre-planned the conversation and the suggestion of wearing them to Diana, it's not forcing but it is a little overeager. I wish we'd get to hear more of Diana's point of view and that these scenes were more balanced so it didn't feel as if Superman was driving each of them so much. Now, according to one early review of the issue, spoilers:

Diana will use the glasses to go on a date with Clark in their civilian clothes. Whether or not this date happens immediately after the previewed scene or later, after some sort of team up with the rest of JL, isn't clear. No information so far points to Superman not planning the glasses beforehand. It is also an idiotic narrative beat of Johns to have them use such disguises for a date after having them so stupidly not use them at the Smallville diner in the previous one.

end of spoilers My main concern is that Johns give Diana a voice in all this and stop making her so passive. I want to hear her speak openly about her experiences and her feelings, and to make some of the decisions regarding her and Superman's budding relationship.

[slvn]

It is also an idiotic narrative beat of Johns to have them use such disguises for a date after having them so stupidly not use them at the Smallville diner in the previous one.

I don't know--maybe Clark wanted to first remind Diana that they are appreciated as heroes, and then give her his perspective and how they can blend in when they want to.

My main concern is that Johns give Diana a voice in all this and stop making her so passive. I want to hear her speak openly about her experiences and her feelings, and to make some of the decisions regarding her and Superman's budding relationship.

Agreed. If the other spoilers at http://robpatey.com/tag/justice-league-15/ are accurate, though, spoilers:

Clark (among others) may need comfort and grounding from a friend after the flooding of the East Coast

end of spoilers, and maybe that will be the opportunity to show Diana as the active, wise one.

[misslane38]

I don't know--maybe Clark wanted to first remind Diana that they are appreciated as heroes, and then give her his perspective and how they can blend in when they want to.

Perhaps, I'd like for that to be made clear. However, if it turns out that the plan was to do one date in costume and one date in civvies to provide a lesson in perspective, then I'm not sure I like it. It seems like a ripoff of Adventures of Superman #525 (see: here) and it makes Clark's efforts to share parts of himself with Diana seem more like a teaching exercise than simply getting to know each other better.

Agreed. If the other spoilers at http://robpatey.com/tag/justice-league-15/ are accurate, though, spoilers:

Clark (among others) may need comfort and grounding from a friend after the flooding of the East Coast

end of spoilers, and maybe that will be the opportunity to show Diana as the active, wise one.

Sounds interesting. That would be a good direction to go in, but I'm not sure it's enough to undo the imbalances that have already occurred. We'll see, I guess. Fingers crossed.

[carabas]

If/when Diana does adopt a secret identity, I would hope she'd make it her own and not just blindly copy something that's worked for someone else with a different life experience.

Diana Prince is Wonder Woman in a suit, glasses, different hair style, with a more demure attitude. It's always been an almost exact copy of Superman's secret ID.

[Fate's Faith]

What I have found funny is people are fine with Wonder Woman copying Superman's powers and status but her wearing glasses is him schooling her.

[misslane38]

Diana Prince is Wonder Woman in a suit, glasses, different hair style, with a more demure attitude. It's always been an almost exact copy of Superman's secret ID.

Well, then, it doesn't have to continue to be that does it? It's the New 52 where change is in, so Diana's secret identity, if she even ultimately adopts one, can break away from Superman's secret ID shadow.

What I have found funny is people are fine with Wonder Woman copying Superman's powers and status but her wearing glasses is him schooling her.

Uh, Diana has some Superman-like powers by nature. Her adopting a similar secret identity from his modeling and instruction would be a choice. Big, and quite obvious, difference.

[Aquacatlungfish]

Amazing how much of a discussion came from one sentence. I may dislike the sentence and the entire dynamic but this whole thread is the definition of an overreaction.

[misslane38]

Amazing how much of a discussion came from one sentence. I may dislike the sentence and the entire dynamic but this whole thread is the definition of an overreaction.

Perhaps it's not an overreaction to one line as much as discussing Diana's character as a whole because of what that line represents: a very powerful idea about a secret identity, her level of assimilation, and how much balance Johns has given to the Superman and Wonder Woman dynamic in the past beyond this one page and one line. That's a lot to grapple with and not everyone is going to agree on the facts or the opinions related to those issues. Consequently, the discussion incorporates more than reaction to one line as is and expands to touch on the differences between Johns' and Azzarello's Diana and people's differing feelings on a secret identity.

Personally, I'd rather a thread include posts about the topic and and not about the thread itself, so to get back on topic, I'm curious whether Diana's height would make it more difficult for her to conceal her true identity. And if she ever were to get a civilian job anywhere, what would it be or what would suit her best?

[Fate's Faith]

Uh, Diana has some Superman-like powers by nature. Her adopting a similar secret identity from his modeling and instruction would be a choice. Big, and quite obvious, difference.

If people believe its fine that Diana begins flying because Superman flies but shouldn't wear glasses because Superman wears glasses then I think that's a problem with that person and not the direction of the character. Fictional characters don't have anything by nature.