Namor, Marvel's First Teen Mutant"
The bigger the better. Even down to characters like Creeper, Man Bat, Jason Bard and so on, I'd love to see DC throw minor Bat family a guest app or cameo a bit more often. Go wild.
If you want solo Batman or "classic Batman" stories then a writer can drill down to main players whenever they want, anytime, but that doesn't mean the rest cannot be out there, on the board, waiting in the wings. They're all just options.
When it comes to Batfamily having their own titles however, the only limits should be whether a) the books will sell) and b) editorial along with writers can delineate a unique niche and/or creative ambition for each book. Batwing isn't selling and is otherwise unremarkable so it will be cancelled soon, no problem. Nightwing is doing average Nightwing numbers, as it will always do, but has no reason to exist apart from the being a book for Nightwing. Batgirl is thematically the very opposite of what DC intended when they returned Barbara to the name - dreary and depressing as hell. These are the types of things that should be addressed in a Batfamily line in terms of theme and style IMO. Otherwise you could launch a book for Batmite and it wouldn't matter as long as it either sells or has sufficient creative merit to let it slide for a while, long enough for a decent run at least, as Gotham Central and Manhunter once did.
Then there's also a risk of having to either retcon their history in, or rebooting the character completely. In nearly every case (wally is tricky) I see no reason why it wouldn't be better to briefly introduce them with a basic status quo that would allow them to be shelved or picked up later.
This reminds me! A long time ago I started a thread asking for help in listing all the characters in Batman stories who seem to have been named in honor of "Bob Kane" -- as in, their surnames are "Kane" or something very similar.
It turns out that "Kane" (and variations of it) have been used many times. Our list included Kathy Kane and Betty Kane from the Silver Age, plus such modern variations as "Kate and Bette, Batwoman and Flamebird," plus Cassandra Cain and her daddy, plus Kathy DuQuesne from the animated movie "Mystery of the Batwoman," plus some other very obscure comic book characters (not necessarily costumed heroes) . . . and someone even told me that there's been at least one "canonical reference" to the idea that Bruce's mother's maiden name was "Martha Kane," which I had never noticed before!
I think that was when I finally learned about an old theory that Silver Age Batwoman might actually have been some sort of long-lost cousin of Bruce's on his mother's side of the family!
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I think there are a lot of interesting Bat characters that I like to follow but they aren't compelling enough to hold my interest for a long time or the creative team loses direction.
I think what could be interesting is have a title that covers a lot of these minor bat characters. Do a 4-6 issue arc covering one, then move on to another and another. We have an interesting and compelling idea for Batwing, then lets do another arc for him in this rotating bat title. It would be a way for bat fans to keep up with the myriad of characters and subscribe to one title instead of a short run series.
That comic DID used to exist back in the 1970's:
Interesting historical fact of the time was that Batman Family was doing quite well sales wise, while Detective was floundering. So Batman Family was folded into Detective as a second story back-up to stabilize Detective's sales and it worked. Batman Family had a revolving cast but predominantly featured the Dynamite Duo (yes it's cringe worthy, but that's what they were called) of Batgirl and Robin.
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I too have sometimes thought it would be nice to see the concept revived!
I don't like the title "Bat Family" though. It sounds too much like an ABC sitcom. Plus, I don't consider Robin a minor character.
I'm more or less okay with this:
I don't mind keeping Jason and Tim for Damian's development. I like their dynamics. Big batfamily or even too many heroes in Gotham never made sense to me. All of them running around the place and Gotham is still shit place. It undermines Batman a bit. That is why I wish BOP was located in another city. Not to mention, seeing Barb in another city would be interesting. One place gets boring.
Batwoman and Flamebird's fathers, are presumably brothers, but we don't know if they are *also* brothers to either Martha, or her brother Nathaniel, who was married to Kathy Kane, the original Batwoman.
I'd prefer to see Kate and Bette's brothers as cousins to Martha and Nathaniel Kane; ie the poor relations, not even close to rich like the latter were.
Namor, Marvel's First Teen Mutant"
My ideal Bat-Family is a lean, mean fighting machine:
... and Alfred of course
I would erase Batwoman and Damien. I'd kill Jason again. And I wouldn't bring back Steph or Cassandra.
"If God is the answer, the wrong question has been asked."
To those saying they'd rather have a small batfam, do you define batfam as character who regularly interact with Batman and his most immediate supporting characters or do you define it simply as gotham heroes who in some way shape or form are connected to Batman?
Btw, I love that shot of the whole family there. Well, the whole family minus Alfred.