Luthor, completely self made or from old money?

[adkal]

And like I said I like a bit of both with Luthor. I'm a fan of Maggin's Luthor and the possibility of redemption which is why I prefer Lex's ending on the animated All Star Superman adaptation over his fate in the comic itself

Aren't some of the view that Quintum was 'future Lex in the past' and, if so, isn't that also a redemption ending?

[BBally]

Aren't some of the view that Quintum was 'future Lex in the past' and, if so, isn't that also a redemption ending?

Well, I remember Morrison denying that theory and he said he liked the movie ending a lot, then again this is Morrison we're talking about.

[adkal]

Well, I remember Morrison denying that theory and he said he liked the movie ending a lot, then again this is Morrison we're talking about.

Hence my saying 'some' and not 'Morrison'

[batalia]

I like both angles.

The "self made" Luthor is a testimony to his capabilities and genius to boot, and it helps to contextualize the antagonistic feeling he has towards Superman ("This guy was born with EVERYTHING, I had to MAKE my way" kin of stuff).

OTOH, I have always seen Luthor as sort of an aristocrat, As if he believed the world being there for the taking was his birthright; not really understanding what it was to pass difficulties in life. This take contextualize why he`d see Superman as an obstacle.


So, for me, either way is fine.

Why are you in my head. Agree. 100%.

[llozymandias]

Wasn't the silver-age origin written by Jerry Siegel? Up to the late 60s, Lex's hate for Kal came from a very realistic source. He saw Kal as the only real obstacle to him doing whatever he (Lex) wanted to do.


Lex as self-made is better than Lex as mere inheritor.

[stk]

Wasn't the silver-age origin written by Jerry Siegel?

It was uncredited at the time, of course, but I believe that is the official record now.

[llozymandias]

It was uncredited at the time, of course, but I believe that is the official record now.

It just seems creepy, that so many (fans, writers, etc.) want to credit that story to anyone but Siegel.

[stk]

It just seems creepy, that so many (fans, writers, etc.) want to credit that story to anyone but Siegel.

No creators got credited back then in DC comics. So for many years, all fans had to go by were guesses. And Siegel had been gone for years, only recently coming back to DC to write more Superman. So It would be understandable not to know or believe Siegel wrote it. DC sure didn't advertise his return. Slowly and painstakingly, some history has been reconstructed. But even today, not fully. There are still many questions as to who produced what.

[llozymandias]

No creators got credited back then in DC comics. So for many years, all fans had to go by were guesses. And Siegel had been gone for years, only recently coming back to DC to write more Superman. So It would be understandable not to know or believe Siegel wrote it. DC sure didn't advertise his return. Slowly and painstakingly, some history has been reconstructed. But even today, not fully. There are still many questions as to who produced what.

Was always aware of how creators didn't get credited back then in any comics. It just seems that many of the fans don't want to give Jerry Siegel any credit for anything.

[Mat001]

Fans do, but the thing is that Mort Wiesinger (sp) did a lot of work that went beyond just Siegel, after he parted ways with DC, that it's kinda hard to tell who did what.

[Kurosawa]

Siegel wrote the Silver Age origin; Golden Age Luthor had no origin, no background and no first name until 1979. We don't even know if he's an American as he first appeared in Europe.

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[llozymandias]

Fans do, but the thing is that Mort Wiesinger (sp) did a lot of work that went beyond just Siegel, after he parted ways with DC, that it's kinda hard to tell who did what.

The last time Siegel parted ways with DC, was around 1965. Give or take a year.