Should the 2nd amendment (Right to Bear Arms) be Abolished?

[Shikidum]

I am liberal too, classical liberal.

[king mob]

I think they'd have to trawl through the version of this thread that only exists in your imagination to find any such racist or anti-government posts.

Or anything from 'responsible gun owners' eh Valerie?

[king mob]

People on both cherrypiick stories that fit their narative. Since most com members are progressives/modern liberals of course we have a buch of stories. If most members conservatives we would get a bunch of other kind of cherrypicked storiers.

You think there's two sides to the political debate? Honestly?

[Shikidum]

Just because some republicans and dems like to pretend the other side does not exist or automaticly delegitimise their opponents on moral ground (dems are hippies, republicans want to kill the poor) does not mean that the two sides don't exist. As a matter of fact i enjoy political diversity.

[worstblogever]

People on both cherrypiick stories that fit their narative. Since most com members are progressives/modern liberals of course we have a buch of stories. If most members conservatives we would get a bunch of other kind of cherrypicked storiers.



Runs on what attitude exactly?

Do you need it spelled out for you? The "cold dead heads" rhetoric? The, "we need our assault rifles by our 2nd amendment right to form a militia against the corrupt government" mentality? That's the NRA's whole schtick these days. That's what they tell their followers, of course. But all they want from them is "keep buying more guns, in greater numbers, for a civil war that we're duping you into believing is coming.

Crazy thing is, when militants have crossed a line and been taken down by the government, like say, Ruby Ridge, or Waco... Wayne LaPierre went out of his way for demonizing the government afterwards. As in, those who want civil war with the government are aces, in his book. (That made Bush 41 quit the NRA, BTW). Hell, their current president, Jim Porter refers to the actual civil war as the "War of Northern Aggression", and advocates the use of guns, not for personal protection, not for hunting, but to "fight tyranny".

[Shikidum]

George Bush was an oppurtunist who did not belive in anything all he cared about was power, i doubt him quiting means anything. i am not familar enough with the US civil war to comment on it in meaningfull way.

Do you need it spelled out for you? The "cold dead heads" rhetoric? The, "we need our assault rifles by our 2nd amendment right to form a militia against the corrupt government" mentality?

In case of an emergency.

That's what they tell their followers, of course. But all they want from them is "keep buying more guns, in greater numbers, for a civil war that we're duping you into believing is coming.

A civil war would be highly unlikely unless the US government really becomes uberevil against their own citizens. It's just rhethoric with wery ittle effect. No member of the recent mass shootings was part of gun culture. They were loners who went nuts.

[worstblogever]

A civil war would be highly unlikely unless the US government really becomes uberevil against their own citizens. It's just rhethoric with wery ittle effect. No member of the recent mass shootings was part of gun culture. They were loners who went nuts.

Ah, the "All mass shooters are all just nuts" lie the NRA would like you to believe. Take a look for yourself, it seems to be a pretty homogenous mixture of "crazy", and "not crazy", but it's pretty safe to assume the diagnosis for someone who wants to inflict massive amounts of death is. Some of them have pretty obvious motives.

Note that those statistics usually omit anti-government domestic terrorists. That may have something to do with the fact that they often utilize bombs first, have body counts if they start a shooting under four, often because they don't just open fire on civilians and target the police, who are armed and take them down immediately.

I just want to be clear, here... you're telling me that the stronger anti-government, " we need the 2nd amendment for fightin' tyranny" rhetoric the NRA's been pushing the past 15 years doesn't produce a mass shooter, and it won't? Like, you can't see this escalating to that point, whatsoever? The Glenn Beck fans and nutjobs are just huffing and puffing, and don't really mean anyone any harm?

Try again. It just doesn't make the paper because they're normally stupid enough to fail at putting up a higher body count.

EDIT: Oh, I should have scrolled down. The list of anti-government domestic terrorist failures is bigger than I thought.

• 1995 November 9: Oklahoma Constitutional Militia members arrested while in the planning stages for bombings of Southern Poverty Law Center, gay bars and abortion clinics.
• 1996 January 1: Members of the Viper Team militia are arrested after they caught surveying government buildings in Arizona.
• 1996 July 13: John J. Ford, 47, of Bellport, Long Island, a former court officer and president of the Long Island U.F.O. Network, and Joseph Mazzachelli plotted to poison local politicians with radium and shoot them if that did not work. They believed the government was covering up knowledge of UFO landings.
• 1996 November 11: Seven members of the Mountaineer Militia are arrested in a plot to blow up the FBI fingerprint records center in West Virginia.
• 1997 July 4: Members of the splinter militia group the Third Continental Congress are arrested while planning attacks on military bases which they believed were being used to train United Nations troops to attack U.S. citizens.
• 1998 March 18: Members of the North American Militia are arrested in plot to bomb Federal Buildings in Michigan, a television station and an interstate highway intersection.
• 1999 December 5: Members of the San Joaquin Militia are arrested on charges of plotting to bomb critical infrastructure locations in hopes of sparking an insurrection. The leaders of the group plead guilty to charges of plotting to kill a Federal judge.
• 1999 December 8: The leader of the Southeastern States Alliance militia group is arrested in plot to bomb energy faculties with the goal of causing power outages in Florida and Georgia.
• 2000 March 9: The former leader of the Texas Militia is arrested in a plot to attack the Federal Building in Houston.
• 2002 February 8: Two members of Project 7 are arrested plotting to kill judges and law enforcement officials in order to kick off a revolution.
• 2002 September 3: An Idaho Mountain Militia Boys plot to kill a judge and a police officer and break a friend out of jail is uncovered.
• 2003 April 24: William Krar is charged for his part in the Tyler poison gas plot, a white supremacist related plan. A sodium cyanide bomb was seized with at least 100 other bombs, bomb components, machine guns, and 500,000 rounds of ammunition. He faces up to 10 years in prison.
• 2005 August 31 2005 Los Angeles bomb plot:Kevin James, Hammad Samana, Gregory Patterson, and Levar Washington were indicted on charges to wage war against the U.S. government through terrorism in California. The men planned attacks against Jewish institutions and American military locations in Los Angeles during the Yom Kippur holiday.
• 2006 November 29 Demetrius Van Crocker a white supremacist from rural Tennessee was sentenced to 30 years in prison for attempting to acquire Sarin nerve gas and C-4 explosives that he planned to use to destroy government buildings.
• 2007 May 1: Five members of a self-styled Birmingham, Alabama area anti-immigration militia were arrested for planning a machine gun attack on Mexicans.
• 2008 March 26: Michael S. Gorbey who was detained in January 2008 for carrying a loaded shotgun two blocks from the Capitol Building has been charged planning to set off a bomb after a device containing can of gunpowder duct-taped to a box of shotgun shells and a bottle containing buckshot or BB pellets was found in the pickup truck he was driving. The pickup truck was moved to a government parking lot where for a three-week period the device inside it went unnoticed.[146] Michael Gorbey gets 22 years prison, but he insisted that police planted weapons.
• 2008 October 27 Federal agents claim to thwarted a plot by two white power skinheads to target an African American High School and kill 88 blacks and decapitate 14 more (the numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic to white supremacists) and although expecting to fail try to assassinate Barack Obama.
• 2010 December 21: Internet radio broadcaster Hal Turner sentenced to 33 months in prison after he published the work addresses and photographs of three judges who had upheld gun control laws and advocated for their assassination.
• 2011 October–November: Georgia terrorist plot Four elderly men from a Georgia militia arrested for plotting to buy ricin in preparation for an attack they claimed would "save the Constitution". They allegedly discussed blowing up IRS and ATF buildings, dispensing ricin from a plane over Atlanta and other cities, and assassinating "un American" politicians. Informant used to break up alleged plot.
• 2012 August 27: Four non-commissioned officers from Fort Stewart in Georgia, along with five other men, were charged in an alleged plot to poison an apple orchard and blow up a dam in Washington State, seize control of Fort Stewart, set off explosives in a park in Savannah, Georgia, and assassinate President Barack Obama. The alleged plot was on behalf of the "FEAR" militia for the long term purpose of overthrowing the government.

[Patera Silk]

Voted no. I have no interest in handing over this right to anyone. Now, I personally don't drink, so go ahead and ban alcohol. Probably would save more lives anyways than banning guns. Or, just accept that with freedom and liberty comes a bit of risk.

[Valerie]

Or anything from 'responsible gun owners' eh Valerie?

Posts from responsible gun owners don't count as posts from anti-government terrorists (who are not responsible gun owners) nor as racist posts. Having guns doesn't count as racism. Once again, you've been caught in a lie.