View Poll Results: Should the right to bear arms be abolished

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  • Yes

    77 22.13%
  • No

    134 38.51%
  • No but Stricter laws are needed

    94 27.01%
  • maybe

    2 0.57%
  • Some weapon types should be banned

    16 4.60%
  • Certain Weapons and attachments should be banned

    25 7.18%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gryphon View Post
    But making it public to the point where its an invitation to rob them of their guns.
    how else are we going to test their effectiveness at preventing crimes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by thehod View Post
    It's not strawman, because intent has nothing to do with it. It's about the odds of something happening, and the odds of all of those things happening are extremely high (at least in the 10s of thousands)

    So why make plans for the minuscule chance that you'll be killed by an intruder, and not make plans for a meteor strike?

    Ok, that is deliberately provocative, and I'm not being entirely serious, but all I keep hearing is this need for self defence and the intentions of people should they confront an intruder, but the real fact is that most people will never experience that situation in a lifetime. So why, when it is well documented that having a gun in the home leads to a far greater chance of someone being killed by accident, would you have one when the chances of an accident happening are far greater than the chances of you actually needing one for self defence?
    It's amazing how we Australians, Britons etc survive without guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty_Cristo View Post
    how else are we going to test their effectiveness at preventing crimes?
    So advocating breaking in to peoples homes then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gryphon View Post
    So advocating breaking in to peoples homes then?
    It's a warning to not break into their homes, like these signs

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    Just pointing out that in canada, before the long gun registry was scrapped, when the data was still around, it was hacked a few times and guns stolen because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gryphon View Post
    Just pointing out that in canada, before the long gun registry was scrapped, when the data was still around, it was hacked a few times and guns stolen because of it.
    Seems like there should be a law on responsibly storing guns in safes with trigger locks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dupont2005 View Post
    Seems like there should be a law on responsibly storing guns in safes with trigger locks.
    Even if a gun is safely secured,with trigger locks, if a thief were to break in when no one else is home, s/he could take his/her time in stealing it and the keys to the locks on the guns. Which happened in canada.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iangould View Post
    It's amazing how we Australians, Britons etc survive without guns.
    How did the trade in program work in Australia? I've read about it but nothing specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gryphon View Post
    So advocating breaking in to peoples homes then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty_Cristo View Post
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    As long as you recgonize the right to shoot attempted gun thiefs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dupont2005 View Post
    Seems like there should be a law on responsibly storing guns in safes with trigger locks.
    if they were, how would you be able to shoot the person breaking into your home? it'd take too long to get to the safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gryphon View Post
    As long as you recgonize the right to shoot attempted gun thiefs.
    if my opinion were important, only law enforcement and military would have firearms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gryphon View Post
    Even if a gun is safely secured,with trigger locks, if a thief were to break in when no one else is home, s/he could take his/her time in stealing it and the keys to the locks on the guns. Which happened in canada.
    Most burglars are not expert safe crackers, gun safes are pretty secure. People store their gold bullion in them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty_Cristo View Post
    if they were, how would you be able to shoot the person breaking into your home? it'd take too long to get to the safe.
    If you were home then you could shoot them. Obviously. Seems like most burglars prefer to break into homes with prior knowledge the homeowner is armed, with the intent purpose of stealing firearms, when the home is not occupied. Hell, even if they don't know and they're just there to steal a handful of DVD's they prefer the homeowner to not be home. Most people leave the home sooner or later. I know crazy gun nuts are less likely to be a functioning member of society, but just for arguments sake lets say the person doesn't live on a rattlesnake infested plantation in Arizona and actually punches a time clock. When you're not home, put the guns in the safe with the trigger lock. Heck, even when you are home. How many guns do you really need to defend your home? One aught to do it. Wear it on your hip, knock yourself out. The other 39 guns can be unloaded, trigger locked, and in the safe. That way if somehow you beat the odds and an armed lunatic storms your home with the sole purpose of committing random, unprovoked murder on a stranger, and he gets the first shot off, then he can really only run off with your sidearm. You just kept 39 AR15's and hundreds of high capacity mags off the street!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 7thangel View Post
    ignoring the anti-gun stuff, you know the reason violent crime has gone down is not due to the rise of gun sales. fear, lies and more fantastical fears keep driving gun sales in peaks
    I did not imply it did, but that little bit of fact means that changing the number of guns in the US will likely have little effect on the level of violence in the US either way Since the is no correlation between an increasing number of guns and the violent crime rates
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