Should the 2nd amendment (Right to Bear Arms) be Abolished?

[king mob]

Irrelevant. Ask a representative sampling of 100 British subjects whether they consider themselves "European", I guarantee the majority will say no.

Come on, your both and you know you are. I can also find 100 random British citizens (fuck being a 'subject') who would say yes in the majority.

[mikekerrIII]

Above all else guns need to be kept out of the hands of people like you.

So shooting holes in paper is suddenly evil , somebody tell the Olympic commitee

[king mob]

If you shoot someone in the back as he flees your house, it doesn't matter if he has a DVD player in his hands or not. You just committed murder and will be charged accordingly. Of course you'll have the Stormfront Tea Party types rallying for your cause, but you'll be in prison right next to those burglars. Just for a bit longer than they will be.

Here's the right time to bring up the Tony Martin case.

[king mob]

any suggestions?

I've no idea beyond appealing to the moral aspects of the situation. That would be something for America to work out the best solution themselves but it's a way of moving the country out of paranoia, and it might just help the bodycount from rising.

[Gryphon]

Even worse.

They are known to have a bias.

[Vibranium]

I've no idea beyond appealing to the moral aspects of the situation.

and that's a tough one...we've got people that believe the minorities are going to rise up or the Gub'mint is coming to take their guns and the only protection they have is Ol' Painless

That would be something for America to work out the best solution themselves but it's a way of moving the country out of paranoia, and it might just help the bodycount from rising.

and I have zero idea how to get to that point

[mikekerrIII]

Only in a crazy mind those two things are the same.

Really dude. You're so freaking creepy.

You all talk about shooting and stuff but you know what? Odds are that if really something like that was to happen to you, you would be paralyzed by fear and stress.

That's real life, that's the truth, not some crazy fantasy.

I have been shot at for real, I managed to keep my ablity to function quite well

What is a reasonable way for someone if not physically stronger and more skilled than an intruder to stop them without using a firearm?

My wife weights under a hundred pounds, id anything but a firearm going to do her much good?

[mikekerrIII]

No it's not. It happens more frequently than you might think.

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If the intruder is armed or simply more powerfull has hostile intent what happens next is whatever they want to happen

[mikekerrIII]

And yet strangely, British Police officers do it every day-without the aid of firearms.

They are highly trained, not elderly, disabled or just small and are facing a mostly unarmed populace. That was not even a good straw-man.

[king mob]

and that's a tough one...we've got people that believe the minorities are going to rise up or the Gub'mint is coming to take their guns and the only protection they have is Ol' Painless



and I have zero idea how to get to that point

Nor have I because quite clearly you've got people (including people posting on the subject on CBR) that putting a load of people in the ground before Christmas is the price the country has to pay, and these people are powerfully vocal in your country so like I said elsewhere, you've got more than one problem to deal with beyond actually getting weapons of mass murder out of circulation.

[king mob]

If the intruder is armed or simply more powerfull has hostile intent what happens next is whatever they want to happen

That doesn't make it justifiable for people to own thousands of rounds of ammunition, military style weapons and have free range to kill anyone even looking at your house.

[Vibranium]

Nor have I because quite clearly you've got people (including people posting on the subject on CBR) that putting a load of people in the ground before Christmas is the price the country has to pay, and these people are powerfully vocal in your country so like I said elsewhere, you've got more than one problem to deal with beyond actually getting weapons of mass murder out of circulation.

Yes, we do

I just don't know what a logical solution would be

[mikekerrIII]

If you shoot someone in the back as he flees your house, it doesn't matter if he has a DVD player in his hands or not. You just committed murder and will be charged accordingly. Of course you'll have the Stormfront Tea Party types rallying for your cause, but you'll be in prison right next to those burglars. Just for a bit longer than they will be.

That depends on what state you live in.

[king mob]

They are highly trained, not elderly, disabled or just small and are facing a mostly unarmed populace. That was not even a good straw-man.

How about countries like Germany, France, Sweden and so on where the police are armed, there are more guns in circulation and there's still not the deaths you associate with the US?

[Vibranium]

That doesn't make it justifiable for people to own thousands of rounds of ammunition, military style weapons and have free range to kill anyone even looking at your house.

that's not what any of us are saying....a bit hyperbolic

if someone walks into my house with malicious intent, I would first call 911, I would warn them that the police have been called and I armed, if they continue with malicious intent, I would then shoot them

so we are not wanna be action heroes Yippe Ki Yaying all over the place, but we are not going to be victims if it can be helped