View Poll Results: Should the right to bear arms be abolished

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  • Yes

    77 22.13%
  • No

    134 38.51%
  • No but Stricter laws are needed

    94 27.01%
  • maybe

    2 0.57%
  • Some weapon types should be banned

    16 4.60%
  • Certain Weapons and attachments should be banned

    25 7.18%
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  1. #361
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    Quote Originally Posted by Addams View Post
    That's an interesting mindset. In one side it protects people from adventurers who would want to change this document as they pleased, and as it states your basic rights it's clearly no meant to be edited each week, but in the same time it makes people dangerously impermeable to change.

    Complicate situation.
    it is, even adding amendments is a process as you need a 2/3 majority in both sides of Congress plus ratification by 2/3rds of the states here in the US
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vibranium View Post
    the 4 of you just wasted a page name calling each other....for f***s sake people

    grow the f*** up already....stop wanting to be right and just have a goddamn conversation

    I live 15 minutes from where this happened, my sister works the next town over in Brookfield, this kind of thing needs to not happen EVER
    Sorry, man. It won't happen again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verslibre View Post
    The point is you guys who say people can't maim or kill without guns are off your rockers.
    No-one is saying that

    Insisting that fire or knives or as one poster put it 'a gas can and a sparkler" are as effective weapons as guns is disingenuous and boarding on the irrational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by verslibre View Post
    "A gun is still more lethal." Overstating the obvious. It's not about what's more lethal, it's about what a "batshit" determined individual can do with even a household weapon within moments. What part of that don't you get? Your fixation on guns is narrowing your own PoV.
    Care to enage in a duel?

    I get a 9MM semi-auto handgun with a full clip. You can have as many "household weapons" as you please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by verslibre View Post
    If a certain woman had locked her weapons away properly, maybe her son wouldn't have gotten to them and used them.
    Is there any evidence the guns weren't locked away?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iangould View Post
    Is there any evidence the guns weren't locked away?
    Im not sure if that is a question that will be answered with any certainty

    they were the only two people that lived in the home as she was divorced and the brother and father lived in another part of the state, I think
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    That would be true if it was the consensus of legal scholars and the courts, that Consensus was created on the left in the seventies and has little or no judicial precedent/ case law involved.

    What court stated it was a communal right not an individual right?

    There is so little precedent because until fifty years or so ago it was unquestioned as a individual right
    Actually Mike it underpinned the Miller decision way back in 1939.

    "In the absence of any evidence tending to show that possession or use of a 'shotgun having a barrel of less than eighteen inches in length' at this time has some reasonable relationship to the preservation or efficiency of a well regulated militia, we cannot say that the Second Amendment guarantees the right to keep and bear such an instrument."
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    Quote Originally Posted by verslibre View Post
    No, she was a substitute teacher. Yeah, I wouldn't trust anyone who lived next door to her, either. Your "sources" must be far more reliable.
    No, she wasn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by verslibre View Post
    If her "mentally unstable" son was able to access the weapons, they were improperly stored. How hard is that to understand? Are we supposed to think the kid was an experienced safecracker?
    Her son who is now retroactively being described as "mentally unstable" was never, so far as we know, ever diagnosed with a mental illness or found to be mentally incompetent by a court.

    With the usual caveats regarding the accuracy of early reports, it's being reported that she took her sons to a shooting range on a regular basis - just as the NRA advises responsible parents to do.
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    how the firearms industry has managed to stay anonymous and use the NRA as its whipping boy

    http://gawker.com/5968807/down-with-big-gun
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    Quote Originally Posted by Addams View Post
    That's an interesting mindset. In one side it protects people from adventurers who would want to change this document as they pleased, and as it states your basic rights it's clearly no meant to be edited each week, but in the same time it makes people dangerously impermeable to change.

    Complicate situation.
    Not really.

    1. There is a process to amend the Constitution but, for good reason, its difficult.

    2. The Courts have shown that they can effect large charges to the way the Constitution is applied without amending it. for example, the first amendment protection of free speech has been progressively redefined to make it more expansive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iangould View Post
    Insisting that fire or knives or as one poster put it 'a gas can and a sparkler" are as effective weapons as guns is disingenuous and boarding on the irrational.
    Nobody said that, either. My point is that when nutjobs are deprived of one thing, they find other ways to hurt and kill, and I gave several examples hence. The responses pretty much echo "but there will be fewer deaths." Whatever.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iangould View Post
    Care to enage in a duel?

    I get a 9MM semi-auto handgun with a full clip. You can have as many "household weapons" as you please.
    Again, you're glossing over the point. So did you pass a rigorous eval program? Do you keep it in a biometric and/or combination safe? I'm merely asking for the good of the people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iangould View Post
    Is there any evidence the guns weren't locked away?
    I elaborated on that post in another reply. It's not about the guns being locked away so much as what was used to lock them away in.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iangould View Post
    No, she wasn't.
    It was reported that she was a regular teacher, then that she was a substitute teacher who was preparing to take over the class full-time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iangould View Post
    Her son who is now retroactively being described as "mentally unstable" was never, so far as we know, ever diagnosed with a mental illness or found to be mentally incompetent by a court.
    Only that he was "odd," then? I put "mentally unstable" in quotes because the story keeps changing. Now the word is "autistic." If that's the case, who would want their autistic child to learn to use guns?

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    I do have to wonder...if we require education and licensing to operate a car, why don't we require it of gun ownership?

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    The question is asked terribly. If you're going to title it with a binary "abolish or keep" question, having a multiple choice poll with more nuanced options doesn't work.

    And only naive, elitist idiots thing *all* guns should be taken away from *all* civilians. Idiots. The nation isn't the Wild West, but it's not the imaginary bubble you live in, either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by verslibre View Post
    I elaborated on that post in another reply. It's not about the guns being locked away so much as what was used to lock them away in.
    You didn't so much elaborate as completely guess based on extremely little and not terribly trustworthy information.
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