Chitauri in The Avengers

[Simbob4000]

Again, them just running off isn't a resolution. Falling over dead is. They were there to be punched and blown up. Once that was over, there's no need to keep them around.

It would still be a resolution, it just wouldn't have been tied up with a bow that didn't make any sense. The resolution came when they beat Loki and got the cube, a few faceless goon stragglers wouldn't have got in the way of any kind of resolution.

And if that nuke had been used as intended, the portal would have been fine and opposition would have been destroyed. So win for Loki.

If the nuke had been used as they intended it would have just killed everyone and likely closed up the portal. But that doesn't matter, because the point is Shield was still more than capable of launching a nuke; your point if you've already forgotten was that they weren't involved in the final fight...well, I'd call shooting off that nuke being involved.

[carabas]

So having the cube safely away in a secret space base doesnt make more sense?

The Cube isn't a device that can be used to open gates from anywhere to anywhere.
The Cube IS a gate, that when opened leads straight back to what is probably Thanos's front porch. This is pretty much literally in the film. If the Cube is in some secret space base it will only open up portals that lead from that space base to Thanos's front porch.
If Thanos's forces want to go to Earth, the Cube needs to be activated on Earth.

[StoneGold]

Peter Benchley was not happy with Steven Spielberg's ending where the shark is killed when a compressed air tank explodes in its mouth, claiming it was unrealistic. Spielberg defended himself by saying he will have held his audiences' attention for two hours and they would believe anything in the end no matter how unrealistic or unbelievable the ending really was.



So that, basically.

[zinx]

That part of the movie didn't need to be wrapped up, it could have ended with Chitauri still running around on earth.

it does,remember before its released,its hasn't been decided that theres gonna be Avengers 2.

It doesn't matter what they're doing, that isn't something that would need to be dealt with. The battle would have still had a resolution, and it wouldn't have been as stupid as everyone just falling over dead for no reason.

But as for what they could have been going? Pretty much anything. They could have been using there shapeshifting powers to infiltrate places, it's a thread that could have been picked up in the next Avengers movie, it could have been some background thing in a Iron Man or Captain America movie, it could have been something the SHIELD TV show played around with, or it could have been something completely resolved off screen. And while the movie didn't set up that they were shapeshifters, it could have been done in no time at all by just showing them do weird shapeshifting stuff while they're screaming on the sides of buildings and fighting people.

who says that theres no surviving Chitauri?
it could still involved in some part on that SHIELD TV,just like the rumored Coulson lives

[Simbob4000]

Peter Benchley was not happy with Steven Spielberg's ending where the shark is killed when a compressed air tank explodes in its mouth, claiming it was unrealistic. Spielberg defended himself by saying he will have held his audiences' attention for two hours and they would believe anything in the end no matter how unrealistic or unbelievable the ending really was.



So that, basically.

Is this pertaining to the Mummy mooks on flying jet skis and big movie Transformer looking snake thing falling over dead for no reason at all? Because that wasn't anything like the Jaws thing, and even if it was, it wasn't pulled off well enough to make me not think about it. For the Jaws ending to seem as weird as the Chitauri thing, the ending would have to be missing the air tank; it would have had to of been Brody just shooting the shark, and then the shark just blowing up for seeming no reason. But even that would be better because a shark just blowing up for no reason is just funny.

[kalorama]

If the nuke had been used as they intended it would have just killed everyone and likely closed up the portal.

Half right. It would have killed everyone in New York, including the Chitauri already on the ground, but it wouldn't have penetrated the energy field around the Cube/portal generator, which means the portal wouldn't have closed, thus allowing the rest of the Chitauri invasion force on the other side to come through the portal without the Avengers being there to fight them off.

Win: Loki.

[Jared]

The "all troops die when command ship blows" end did seem really cheap. It's the one time I heard some groans and disappointment in the audience. A brief montage of the Avengers and recently arrived military mopping up the Chitauri forces would have sufficed.

Not when they needed it to be on Earth in able to open the portal. The amount of energy they would have needed to expend shuttling back and forth could have hampered their ability to open a portal big and stable enough to complete the plan.

Moreover, Loki's arrival on Earth apparently involved some remote hacking, or something, of the Cube itself and it took some time to complete. In the beginning of the movie the cube was acting up and SHIELD didn't know why. Loki probably can't take the cube itself back while using the cube as a temporary gate.

A better question is how was Loki manipulating Selvig at the end of Thor? Did Thanos send through earlier? Was he just astral projecting?

Half right. It would have killed everyone in New York, including the Chitauri already on the ground, but it wouldn't have penetrated the energy field around the Cube/portal generator, which means the portal wouldn't have closed, thus allowing the rest of the Chitauri invasion force on the other side to come through the portal without the Avengers being there to fight them off.

Win: Loki.

Yep. Loki also understands Earth civilization quite a bit. He must have understood the possibility that nukes would be used. He must figure that the total Chitauri force is large enough to overwhelm the planet anyway. Or perhaps he could expand the portal later and actual bring starships through.

[Simbob4000]

it does,remember before its released,its hasn't been decided that theres gonna be Avengers 2.

who says that theres no surviving Chitauri?
it could still involved in some part on that SHIELD TV,just like the rumored Coulson lives

No it doesn't, because that isn't what the movie was about. And it was decided a long time ago there was going to be an Avengers 2.

We saw them all drop dead, how would they survive whatever it was that killed all of them? I guess they could have all gotten a sudden case of the vapors at the sight of seeing their way back close up or something and just have fainted...but I'm pretty sure they all died.

The Coulson thing isn't the same, we never saw him die, we're just told about it from a character who's revealed to being lying to the heroes in the first place.

[Simbob4000]

Half right. It would have killed everyone in New York, including the Chitauri already on the ground, but it wouldn't have penetrated the energy field around the Cube/portal generator, which means the portal wouldn't have closed, thus allowing the rest of the Chitauri invasion force on the other side to come through the portal without the Avengers being there to fight them off.

Win: Loki.

Or it's able to do the same thing Loki's stick does and the blast gets to the cube and is able to close the portal...although their ships didn't seem like they handled nukes very well, so they could always hit them with some more I guess.

[Sighphi]

Except that it was secure because Loki had pretty much crippled the only organization with enough firepower to stop him, and they outright stated that Loki wanted to make a big show of his victory. Just teleporting in and out was not enough for his ego

SHIELD was never in the picture so blowing up some stuff at the start meant nothing, but Thor and everyone else there were.
And there is a different between having an ego and being tremendously stupid.

Not when they needed it to be on Earth in able to open the portal. The amount of energy they would have needed to expend shuttling back and forth could have hampered their ability to open a portal big and stable enough to complete the plan.

Dude, forget about the army for one second. Loki teleported into SHIELD and grabbed the cube so he could have teleport out WITH the cube back to alien base. THEN from there from a safe position he could teleport the army in using the cube.

Again, dont show that Loki can teleport into a place, have dialogue of Loki saying that he knows of ways to travel around then NOT have him do that.

THose two things are not mutually exclusive. Like Thatguy said, it was hidden in a base that only SHIELD had the tech to locate, and the first thing he did after hiding it was take SHIELD out of the equation so they couldn't get to it. Hiding something where no one can find it is the definition of "secured."

He was in enemy territory grabbing stuff around the world to build a device, he might as well have twitter his whole plan.

I don't know where you get the idea that teleporting across the galaxy is "simple." Loki looked pretty haggard and spent when he first teleported into the SHIELD base to steal the Cube at the beginning of the movie. He clearly expended a lot of energy just teleporting himself.

Ok so he was really tired.....so how about just doing it later when he is better? Since he bragged to Thor about the fact that he knows how to travel around?

The Cube isn't a device that can be used to open gates from anywhere to anywhere.
The Cube IS a gate, that when opened leads straight back to what is probably Thanos's front porch. This is pretty much literally in the film. If the Cube is in some secret space base it will only open up portals that lead from that space base to Thanos's front porch.
If Thanos's forces want to go to Earth, the Cube needs to be activated on Earth.

So Thanos is going to take over the universe using the Cosmic Cube... which is just a garage opener to his base?
How does that work?

[zinx]

No it doesn't, because that isn't what the movie was about. And it was decided a long time ago there was going to be an Avengers 2.

than whats was its about?

sources?all i heard is Avengers 2 only been green-lighted a while after its BO tally counted&Whedon reaccepting his directional role(remember the who gonna direct Avengers 2 thread?),all before that are nothing more than rumor aka no official confirmation.

We saw them all drop dead, how would they survive whatever it was that killed all of them? I guess they could have all gotten a sudden case of the vapors at the sight of seeing their way back close up or something and just have fainted...but I'm pretty sure they all died.

really,and do you know how many/what the numbers of chitauri that Invading NY?
do you see all their bodies buried/burned/taken somewhere at the end of the movie?

The Coulson thing isn't the same, we never saw him die, we're just told about it from a character who's revealed to being lying to the heroes in the first place.

seriously?anyone i ask pretty sure he is as good as dead
,if not then theres supposed to be no fan uproar/cheers when they announce Coulson Lives thing on NYCC.
even then they didn't explain yet how he gonna appear in the show,some says its flashback,some says life model decoy,etc

[marshal99]

So Thanos is going to take over the universe using the Cosmic Cube... which is just a garage opener to his base?
How does that work?

In the Cap movie , the cube/tessaract was used as an infinite energy power source. In the avengers movie , it was used as a gateway portal , i think it's fair to say that even Loki doesn't fully understand the capabilities of the tessaract but thanos do.

[carabas]

So Thanos is going to take over the universe using the Cosmic Cube... which is just a garage opener to his base?
How does that work?

Is it mentioned why he wants it back, or even that he wants it back? Maybe it just has sentimental value? Or he needs it as a component to make a big, golden glove.

And it can also be used to power Kirby-tech weapons, which is pretty neat.

[Phil Clark]

For everyone freaking out over the chitauri just dropping when the portal closes, I think it must be this. They are a part of a hive mind. They don't have their own wills, the are a warrior race linked to a central control point, allowing them to be effective and efficient warriors. But as soon as the portal closes and they no longer have any access to the control mind, the remote chitauri just stop working. They are basically organic machines. Without a control point, they are just empty husks.

THAT is why closing the portal disabled them. Chances are if the bodies are just stored and not destroyed, if another portal ever gets opened those bodies would come back to life. But since it requires the Tesseract (the Cosmic Cube) to open the portal... that ain't likely to happen.

And no, the cube is not JUST a portal. That is simply the level of understanding of it that humans have at this point. They don't know how much more it can do. It wasn't anyone who actually knows what the tesseract is that said it was a portal. It was Selbig.

[Mac Danny]

Here's how I always thought about it.

Loki falls of the rainbow bridge and floats through the space. He is picked up by the forces of Thanos and, because he is a smooth talker, offers them Earth to conquor and convinces them they need him to take the planet over.

Being totally expendable and because Thanos was probably going to kill him anyway, he let Loki give it a shot. Like a probe to check the defenses.