Bane (DKR) vs Agent Smith (Matrix)

[Sharpandpointies]

I think it's safe to say that none of the machines ever saw an actual human in an actual fight, and all fighting is thus meaningless number crunching to them. They're doing it completely wrong, but don't realize because there's no one to tell them they're doing it wrong.

There's plenty of full-contact, actual fighting stuff out there. Plus, they have the wonderful opportunity to watch humans actually practicing to fight, learning to fight, etc.

I don't buy that they'd miss the absolute, base-level fundamental of fighting, by analyzing real-world fights. It's also fairly doubtful that the AI's would mistake video game stuff for actual fighting. :)

A fact which is borne up by Reeves' own crappy footwork. I guess his download had the same problems as them?

More likely the explanation is meh choreography, stemming either from someone having injuries and them having to adjust...or just meh choreography, period.

[Sharpandpointies]

The upgrade agents were Mat Mccolm and Daniel Bernhardt. Both of them are martial artists and stunt men, so they would be better. The thing to remember is that in a movie, they want things to look cool, not good. So they focus on it looking cool. Not technically accurate.

And yes, they do focus on making it look 'cooler'. Glaring deficiencies still stand out, or simply don't look as good to trained people, regardless of funky spinning kicks. :)

I'm starting to understand why my teacher doesn't watch fighty movies any more. I'm getting pickier and pickier myself.

[Eternal Torment]

And yes, they do focus on making it look 'cooler'. Glaring deficiencies still stand out, or simply don't look as good to trained people, regardless of funky spinning kicks. :)

I'm starting to understand why my teacher doesn't watch fighty movies any more. I'm getting pickier and pickier myself.

But Sharp, that's all the more reason to become a choreographer.

You can make sure there won't be more nasal bones, paralyzing groin kicks, or Tony Jaa magic fingers.

[Sharpandpointies]

Yeah, but it would be boring. Or less interesting, anyway, for the majority.

I understand that flash is cool. I like a certain amount of flash in my movie fights as well, admittedly. And if it's a story about Qi-flinging wuxia heroes, anything goes, as long as there isn't stuff like 'his feet don't move at all when he fights' (and nasal bone punches). :)

But I prefer less flash than most people, so my choreography wouldn't work for movies.

[Eternal Torment]

Yeah, but it would be boring. Or less interesting, anyway, for the majority.

I understand that flash is cool. I like a certain amount of flash in my movie fights as well, admittedly. And if it's a story about Qi-flinging wuxia heroes, anything goes, as long as there isn't stuff like 'his feet don't move at all when he fights' (and nasal bone punches). :)

But I prefer less flash than most people, so my choreography wouldn't work for movies.

Well, you never know. If audiences get exhaused by an oversaturation of flashy fight scenes, perhaps some good realistic fights would intrigue them.

[Sharpandpointies]

They'd probably be too short. :(

But thank you.

[Eternal Torment]

They'd probably be too short. :(

But thank you.

Ah, don't mention it.

Really though, sometimes the beauty of a simple throat punch is needed.

[Omegalith]

They'd probably be too short. :(

Well, that's really the main problem, I guess. People can't generally take a huge amount of damage before it resolves, so you end up with either fights where people are mostly aiming for one another's sword or arms, or videogame style fights where they tank sword blows until their hit points run dry...

Plus, fancy athletics and borderline dance moves tend to sneak in.

[Sharpandpointies]

That's about it, yes.

[NamorSuperStrong]

smith would just keep cloning random people running for their lives and end up winning

[master of read]

smith would just keep cloning random people running for their lives and end up winning

he really wouldnt need to to kill bane.