How long will Havok last as leader of the Uncanny Avengers?

[Red Mask]

It isn't. The X-men were protecting the world, giving people free food and energy, etc. The Avengers were hiding and looking for a fight.

And we have people both in universe- Reed Richards- and outside of it- Jonathan Hickman- saying the X-men were the heroes there, and weren't doing anything wrong.

Using that power to just give it them would not have created a stable world peace. Would it have answered the issues over land, like what's happening in Israel? No, they could not have solved everything. Plus humanity's greed can never be satisfied.

[RDMacQ]

that didn't happen until well into the third act, right after namor's attack. colossus was pumped on extra Phoenix juice, which is when the other four began to deteriorate. but don't let that stop you.

Again, anytime you want to start posting panels to back up even a third of what you're saying, go right ahead. Other posters are doing it. It's real easy.

are you saying captain America wasn't conspiring against the Phoenix from the start rdmacq?

"Conspiracy" indicates that he was being secretive about it.

But again, keep lying. It's all you got.

that wasn't him in the lab with tchalla and beast and wolverine figuring out how to take them out (before they did anything remotely wrong)? did I misread it? Was that carol instead?

Easy answer- you did misread it.

Or, more accurately, you are misrepresenting it.

[XPac]

that didn't happen until well into the third act, right after namor's attack. colossus was pumped on extra Phoenix juice, which is when the other four began to deteriorate. but don't let that stop you.

are you saying captain America wasn't conspiring against the Phoenix from the start rdmacq? that wasn't him in the lab with tchalla and beast and wolverine figuring out how to take them out (before they did anything remotely wrong)? did I misread it? Was that carol instead?

Course, Namor was clearly unstable enough to commit mass murder even before the third act, and Magik by her own admission is pretty much evil and insane even without the PF.

But even if the P5 did absolutely nothing wrong (and again I'll wager both the residents of Wakanda and the Jean Grey school would take issue with that), the P5 still needed to be freed from the Phoenix force. Hence Colossus on his hands and knees thanking god for the Avengers help. And the only way to do that was to beat it out of them. Even the rest of the X-Men came around to realizing that their time was probably better spent assisting the Avengers in containing the P5 than playing golf on their lawn. It just took them a little longer than it took Hope. But they got there.

[AcesX1X]

rdmacq I am not posting panels to indulge you. but if you keep calling me a liar in this forum I will be reporting you for slander.

[RDMacQ]

rdmacq I am not posting panels to indulge you. but if you keep calling me a liar in this forum I will be reporting you for slander.

So, what you're saying is, you DON'T have anything that backs up you're argument?

[AcesX1X]

no, what I'm saying is common knowledge and I'm not doing basic research you can do for yourself and certainly not on a mobile device. be happy I even bother responding to you at all.

[klinton]

are you saying captain America wasn't conspiring against the Phoenix from the start rdmacq? that wasn't him in the lab with tchalla and beast and wolverine figuring out how to take them out (before they did anything remotely wrong)? did I misread it? Was that carol instead?

No. This is all true. He was out to thwart the Phoenix from page one. He and Tony described it as a destructive parasite.

By extension, when it took it's hosts, he was determined to rid them of it. He wanted to stop them before they went mad with power razed the earth, as most Phoenix hosts have a habit of doing.

rdmacq I am not posting panels to indulge you. but if you keep calling me a liar in this forum I will be reporting you for slander.

How about colourful storyteller? Fabricator? Can he refer to you as 'honesty deficient'?

I'm rather enjoying watching you two spar. Please, don't remove the angry name calling from the sport!

[RDMacQ]

no, what I'm saying is common knowledge and I'm not doing basic research you can do for yourself and certainly not on a mobile device. be happy I even bother responding to you at all.

If it's common knowledge then it should be easy to find images that would back up your argument. Other people have no problem posting images to back up their argument.

It's not my job or any other poster's job to provide images to disprove YOUR argument. You make the claim, you provide proof. That's the way it works. Simple as that.

[AcesX1X]

simple as that.

[jedigandy7]

Sooooooooooo......not to derail this thread or anything, but I love the choice of Havok as team leader and hope Remender really gives him the spotlight and moves his character forward!!

[HaveAtThee]

Sooooooooooo......not to derail this thread or anything, but I love the choice of Havok as team leader and hope Remender really gives him the spotlight and moves his character forward!!

Hasn't really been given the chance to lead. We'll see what happens in the next couple of issues.

[CJStriker]

Hasn't really been given the chance to lead. We'll see what happens in the next couple of issues.

That is the way I want to take Havok's Leadership as well, lets see what happens and how the Fans respond. Trials and Failures will only help to make Havok a better Leader, IMHO.

[EricDraven]

After giving it a lot of thought, I think I've figured out what I didn't love about this book and it's the fact that Havok is taking a lead role. Havok. Not even Scott Summers seeking redemption or something. Havok. I see he has some supporters here, but for me, when it comes to Havok as a character I Just. Don't. Care.