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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    A as long as humans are involved all peaces is tempray and false at least any peace outside the grave. But a false peace is far better than war, tempory relif from starv ation is far better than nothing, and not dying of dirty water for a while is far better than the alternatives,

    the naive innocence of those that think t what Cyke and Company did with food and water alone is mind-boggling. But I guess most folks in the first world hare clueless about what the things he was fighting are, for rough numbers every month that you can provide food to the worlds starving you save half a million lives, With water it is about thirty thousand lives a month, there is nothing "false" about that
    If you think a temporary peace by giving the poor what they need is better than none you underestimate the problems of the world. There will always be some divide that causes conflict regardless of how well people are living. Eventually the violence will erupt again and Cyclops would just be left wondering like everybody else. "Where did it all go wrong?".
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    the real issue is that the avengers were looking at a forced retirement bc they weren't necessary anymore, and they just weren't having it. end of world hunger be damned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcesX1X View Post
    the real issue is that the avengers were looking at a forced retirement bc they weren't necessary anymore, and they just weren't having it. end of world hunger be damned.
    You got proof of that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    They Other elephant is people didn't want to die of avoidable diseases or starvation and the Avengers actions made that more likley
    There are many diseases that could be researched and easily treated by just donating some money to them. In Africa there are many minor diseases that could easily be avoided just by giving a little. But AIDS, malaria, and such get more focus because of the media while the minor ones continue to plague the poor. But over the past ten years, so much progress has been made in fighting malaria, showing they are not as helpless as many would think. Ugandan university students have even created their own electric car.

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    The moral of this whole argument is:

    Alex and Steve > Scott and Emma.
    Freedom is merely the ability to live without fear of persecution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcesX1X View Post
    the real issue is that the avengers were looking at a forced retirement bc they weren't necessary anymore, and they just weren't having it. end of world hunger be damned.
    LOL, so why did the X-men get involved with going against the phoenixed out characters? Surely there would've been no problems that had them tailgating the P5 in Uncanny.

    Also EVERYONE would've been out of a job. The people of the world wouldn't stand for that. Just ask Wanda when everyone got what they wanted in House of M.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcesX1X View Post
    the real issue is that the avengers were looking at a forced retirement bc they weren't necessary anymore, and they just weren't having it. end of world hunger be damned.
    Many superheroes in Marvel and DC should have retired long ago. Having the Titans succeed Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman should have been permanent. The New Mutants should have replaced the X-Men as well long ago. I hope Dani Moonstar will have better adventures with the Fearless Defenders. The world doesn't need to be stuck with a select number of icons, regardless of popularity. Every generation brings new blood and renewed hope.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikekerrIII View Post
    Why in the hell would local movement kill thier own people, and that is exactly what they would be doing?
    Short sightedness.

    The folks that brought it about were part of the world, they were born on it.
    All of the mutants were born on Utopia? When did that happen?

    Most of the realy poor nations on the e earth beg and pleade for help and just becasue mutants built it would be of little concern.
    Issue, page number and quotes, or stop lying.

    When you are drownding you don't refuse the hands that a pull you from the water becasue they are not to your likely,
    Drowdning?

    Juast a question: Have you ever seen starvation, large scale dysentery, or war with your own eyes since you repeatedly trivialize them.
    As long as you answer this one first- do you realize there is a difference between comic books and reality?

    They are problems both horrible enough and tough enough that ending them by any means is a good thing,. But You seem to think that annual deaths by the million are acceptable if the cure is not local.
    Again- do you know the difference between comic books and reality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcesX1X View Post
    the real issue is that the avengers were looking at a forced retirement bc they weren't necessary anymore, and they just weren't having it. end of world hunger be damned.
    Well, this is a lie.

    As always, swing and a miss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klinton View Post
    The moral of this whole argument is:

    Alex and Steve > Scott and Emma.
    Except for those select few who believe that Alex and Steve < Scott and Emma, and Steve and Alex should burn in hell for being awful villains and racists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Mask View Post
    Many superheroes in Marvel and DC should have retired long ago. Having the Titans succeed Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman should have been permanent. The New Mutants should have replaced the X-Men as well long ago. I hope Dani Moonstar will have better adventures with the Fearless Defenders. The world doesn't need to stuck with a select number of icons, regardless of popularity. Every generation brings new blood and renewed hope.
    notice how when utopia was achieved, all the x-men wanted to do was enjoy life and play soccer. meanwhile, the avengers were obsessing over colossus bargaining the electric legion for free energy for the people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by klinton View Post
    The moral of this whole argument is:

    Alex and Steve > Scott and Emma.
    Lol let's be serious here

    Alex, Steve, and Emma > Scott

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    Quote Originally Posted by AcesX1X View Post
    notice how when utopia was achieved, all the x-men wanted to do was enjoy life and play soccer. meanwhile, the avengers were obsessing over colossus bargaining the electric legion for free energy for the people.
    And again, this is a lie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RDMacQ View Post
    Except for those select few who believe that Alex and Steve < Scott and Emma, and Steve and Alex should burn in hell for being awful villains and racists.
    Well, yes...but we can't really hold one's illiteracy against them, now can we? Or, can we? Is that racist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenComixEnvy View Post
    Lol let's be serious here

    Alex, Steve, and Emma > Scott
    True, true. I actually really like Emma.
    Freedom is merely the ability to live without fear of persecution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenComixEnvy View Post
    Lol let's be serious here

    Alex, Steve, and Emma > Scott
    Much better. We know where Klinton's heart is though.

    Quote Originally Posted by RDMacQ View Post
    And again, this is a lie.
    Its embellishing for sure. In Uncanny the P5 after world peace dismissed the unphoenixed E-team when they went to fight Sinister. Storm was concerned that the P5 may not be mentally stable and she was right, especially when Sinister easily captured them all. If Sinister can easily defeat the P5, then imagine what other villains could corrupt them with hero disbandment.

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