NINO is Wacker/Loeb's regressive attempt to capture the magic of teenage Peter Parker once again rather than take the Nova concept in a new direction as did DnA with their version of Nova and GotG.
They hope that the warmed-over/re-treaded teenage Spidermanish riff will appeal to general comics buyers who just can't seem to get enough of that; and perhaps to kiddies who like the cartoon. Who knows? Maybe they're right. This isn't cosmic though. It's pseudo-cosmic at best.
If you want cosmic, spend your money on DC Cosmic and the Indie cosmic comics. They actually respect their customers and their editors have more to offer the fans than insults and antagonism.
And it's not like they killed off Richard Rider so that they could introduce this new character (though I may have heard it intimated that that's exactly what they did, it seemed to be pretty unsubstantiated speculation).
I think what appealed to the long term fans was the cosmic potential of Nova glimpsed in a few of the Volume I issues - especially in the final story arc on Xandar. And in a personal communication to me from Marv Wolfman himself - he said that had the series not been cancelled he was going to move the character into more space-based storylines. Also -notably, the Starlost Saga was one of the most popular cosmic themed Nova stories of the 90's. Again - the space-based themes appealed to the fans of the character much more than the street level Spidermanish themes. Nova really came into his own with Volume IV - a radical departure from the Peter Parker-ish conceptualization of the 70's and 90's. Fans embraced the tough, powerful, leader of men conceptualization and the space-based storylines. Setting aside the burying of Rider issue to make way for Loeb's tribute character - NINO feels like a regression to what didn't work so well before. If you want Spiderman, read Spiderman. Why read someone else trying to act like Spiderman?
And appealing to a new generation isn't a bad thing per se. Just don't bury an established character with an established fan base whose new direction in Vol IV was wholeheartedly embraced; and hijack the concepts to try to re-create what didn't work all that well in 1976 with a new un-appealing character - and then per Alonso act puzzled as to why the long term fans don't like the idea.
Maybe you haven't been a fan of the character since 1976. Maybe you're not that invested. So maybe it's easier for you to take the "Devil's Advocate" position. Fine. But the reaction of the long term fans is hardly unprecedented. The Quasar fans were none too happy when he was replaced by Phyla; and they advocated until he came back. The GL fans didn't bond with Kyle and kept at it until Hal returned. Expect the same from the Rider fans.
I recently watched an episode of "Ultimate Spiderman." I thought it was cool to see "Nova" but even though I knew it was coming, his introduction as Sam Alexander bummed me out. And boy, they were all childish. Even Powerman was a kid - which was not the case in the comic - ever. This seems like throwing a bone to Disney and children to me.
After "Brand New Day", I stopped reading Spiderman. Not just because Marvel got rid of the marriage, but because they really took the character back to stories I felt I had read before. Peter was back at Aunt May's house. Peter could no longer afford to live on his own. Peter was having girlfriend problems. Peter couldn't keep a good paying job. Been there, done that. I don't want that any more. I have picked up a Spiderman now and again, but it just was not fun for me anymore.
I will say this about the new Nova - at least they are not regressing Rich and acting like Annihilation did not happen.
But it does seem they are going to tell a similar story to early Rich, just using Sam Alexander instead - average kid gets power he does not know how to use, receives no training, gets beat up a lot, possibly will have family issues.
Do we know how old Sam is, because he looks about thirteen. Rich was about seventeen, and physically "muscled up" when he became Nova. He did not have spaghetti arms, a big head, and a ten year old girls body. I'm not trying to be harsh, that's just how he looks to me.
When Richard Rider was forging his own identity as his own unique self, that's where "Nova" excelled, and Richard was a character that just felt like he belonged in space. There's a reason I praised heaven above when Nova came back from "Annihilation", saw all the crap going on in Civil War, and told the earth heroes to screw off, flew into space, and decided to just ignore earth problems since an entire galaxy needed him more. That was where he belonged. That was where the story belonged. It was something fresh and different and much appreciated.
It's bone-headed decisions to replace already young characters with newer "hipster" teenagers (written with eye-rolling penmanship of middle-aged adult men who have no clue what kids actually like while) that helped push me to stop reading comics. If I'm not mistaken, isn't the fact Marvel created an entire alternate universe (Ultimate Marvel) for that VERY reason? So creators could avoid mucking around with beloved, popular, well-liked characters without fear of backlash since these would be alternate stories in an alternate universe? Where Nick Fury could be Samuel L. Jackson, Spider-man could be someone other than Peter Parker, and Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver could engage in icky incestuous acts? I mean, as a fan of all of the above, I'd be mortified at these changes, but as alternate universe tales I can stomach them.
So, why didn't Marvel decide to make this Sam Alexander kid the "Ultimate Marvel" Nova and just let Richard Rider fans keep the character they've embraced for the last several decades? If they genuinely believed Nova fans would embrace some new immature kid taking on the role, I think they've got a very big disconnect between what they think fans want and what they actual want.
I've almost never seen a popular character "replaced" that ever truly worked, even the ones I preferred changes to. At the end of the day, everyone ALWAYS prefers the original heroes they grew up loving. No matter how much I thought Kyle Raynor was a good Green Lantern, he's no Hal. No matter how much I liked Dick Grayson putting his spin on Batman, he's no Bruce. No matter how much I liked Bucky as Captain America, Steve Rogers is the better man for the job. No matter how much I prefer Wally West, we've got Barry Allen back and Wally's gone without any signs he's coming back. Johnny Blaze is going to remain the better Ghost Rider. I can't think of any real "replacement" that ever lasted or that fans fully ever embraced. In nearly 80 years, it has never really worked...
... So why do they keep trying? I'm certainly not thrilled that my favorite comic book character is out of action and someone else has jumped in to take his title. To me, that just tells me I can stop reading about my favorite hero until I hear word that he's come back... if he comes back. But as a Nova fan of the past several decades, I can say I'm officially not interested in the upcoming Nova title.
It's cliche, but, well, the guys in charge just "don't get it"; or, more appropriately, they don't "get" Nova readers.
And you're right. I wouldn't be complaining if they had made NINO an Ultimate Universe title. I wouldn't buy it; but I wouldn't complain either. I had no problem with the MC2 version of Nova (which I did buy and enjoy) which was much more like a more mature version of the 1976 Rider Nova than the Annihilation Nova. Still vastly prefer the Annihilation era Rich Rider; but I could enjoy a walk down memory lane too. The attempt to re-create Peter Parker didn't work well in 1976 and Wolfman was in the process of abandoning that line and moving Rich into space based storylines and a different characterization when Volume I was cancelled. I guess Marvel is still stuck trying to make the Nova concepts into a pseudo-cosmic street level version of Spiderman. Maybe Wacker and Loeb should've done better research and even consulted Marv Wolfman before embarking on the ill-conceived NINO; or just dumped NINO into the Ultimate Universe where he belongs.
But really, you shouldn't speak for anyone but yourself, I've read Nova for years and I'm fine with the change. It could be entertaining. There's been other Novas other than Rich Rider so this is not as far fetched as many of you are making it out to be.
Support titles that need supporting. Quit buying, reading and complaining about comics you don't enjoy.
That is the copout that has been driving me crazy in this whole thing. When people and editors keep saying "well its always been just like Green Lantern and there have been many Novas over the years". That is not entirely true. There might have been a new Nova for and arc or two over the decades, but Rich was always THE Nova. It's not like Green Lantern where Hal is around for years then John takes over for years at a time and so on. Whenever we have seen a new Nova they are gone pretty quick and Rich was back. They seem to be making it that way NOW, but this is not the way it used to be no matte how they spin it.
Honestly to me the main thing proping this book up is McGuinness art. If he was not on the book with Loeb I don't know if alot of people would buy it on Loeb name alone. He is sort of Loeb mains crutch these days.
30-40K would be a great sales number for any indie comic and for most DC comics. But Marvel finds it unacceptable. And FYI, Joe Quesada has stated that the reason for Nova's and GotG's cancellation was not sales.
I suppose a portion of that fan block will buy NINO; but another portion will - like me - not buy it on principle. Marvel can do whatever they want. But I don't have to buy it. And if a large portion of that 30-40K feels like I do or is alienated by Sam Alexander and by Marvel Editorial's attitude - then this book won't last long if Marvel applies the same rules to their golden boy Loeb as they apply to everyone else. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.
If you're an uber-fan of a particular character, maybe someone will decide to hijack that character at some point. See how you feel about it when it's your favorite.
Last edited by timelord; 12-26-2012 at 03:16 PM.