Nearly twenty dead at school shooting

**Vibranium** · 12-19-2012, 10:05 AM

Originally Posted by Michael P

I was thinking mandatory registry, myself.

And it was my understanding that people were throwing around ideas they thought might work, not guessing what the bill would be.

Yes

the last ban had a cutoff date for certain weapons but restricted purchasing of those same weapons IIRC

and what would or should it mean for those folks that have arms stockpiled? that is a very important question to ask

**Dreadstar** · 12-19-2012, 10:08 AM

Here's another thought: How exactly would mandatory registration have impacted this tragedy? If his mother had registered all her weapons, how would this have gone differently?

**Vibranium** · 12-19-2012, 10:20 AM

Originally Posted by Dreadstar

Here's another thought: How exactly would mandatory registration have impacted this tragedy? If his mother had registered all her weapons, how would this have gone differently?

I have no idea

as the official report has not been released in full, there is a lot of speculation as to what weapons were used, but most confirm that he had all three weapons on his person - 2 pistols and the assault rifle

and Ive seen a lot of both sides of the argument...the we need MOAR guns and take all the guns away....and neither are a logical nor reasonable solution

like Ive said before, unless you want to spend the next 5 years marching into every home in the US and confiscating all the guns, the best that can be done is to make it damn near impossible to get these sort of weapons

**Dreadstar** · 12-19-2012, 10:40 AM

For clarification's sake, which sort of weapon?

This sort?

Or this sort?

**Vibranium** · 12-19-2012, 10:45 AM

speaking personally

I have no problems with pistol ownership, be it a revolver or a semi-automatic, I actually have a pistol permit

as for rifles, I don't think the average American citizen needs anything more than a bolt action rifle

and I can't see the two pictures iM at work and they are blocked

**king mob** · 12-19-2012, 10:52 AM

Originally Posted by kmeyers

I hope they actually do something this time, but I'm not holding my breath. Why would this ONE incident, out of so many finally change their minds?

What this reminds me of is the Omagh bombing in that it was an atrocity too far, and this is looking increasingly like the same thing in that it's the straw which broke the back of those still thinking that perhaps they might 'lose freedom' or that it's somehow impossible to change things when in fact what seems to have happened is that those people are becoming increasingly marginalised. It also helps that Obama grew some bollocks and seems keen to drag some change through to at least try to stop what seems like an endless stream of massacres in the US.

A ban on certain weapons is just the start. Those trying to divert the debate to one about mental health have a point, but when you point out that part of the problem is that the US hasn't a NHS type service to pick up the pieces, then you really aren't helping anyone but those who can afford help so that's another part of a huge debate which needs to happen, but first of all you need to cut off the supply of the type of weapons used in these shootings.

This is a huge potential turning point for the US: it can carry on doing what it's doing with the body count mounting up, or it can try to change things.

**Vibranium** · 12-19-2012, 11:11 AM

Originally Posted by king mob

What this reminds me of is the Omagh bombing in that it was an atrocity too far, and this is looking increasingly like the same thing in that it's the straw which broke the back of those still thinking that perhaps they might 'lose freedom' or that it's somehow impossible to change things when in fact what seems to have happened is that those people are becoming increasingly marginalised. It also helps that Obama grew some bollocks and seems keen to drag some change through to at least try to stop what seems like an endless stream of massacres in the US.

A ban on certain weapons is just the start. Those trying to divert the debate to one about mental health have a point, but when you point out that part of the problem is that the US hasn't a NHS type service to pick up the pieces, then you really aren't helping anyone but those who can afford help so that's another part of a huge debate which needs to happen, but first of all you need to cut off the supply of the type of weapons used in these shootings.

This is a huge potential turning point for the US: it can carry on doing what it's doing with the body count mounting up, or it can try to change things.

yes..and I hope the mental health debate goes in a constructive direction, not the "commit someone because they look at you sideways" way

**king mob** · 12-19-2012, 11:21 AM

Originally Posted by Vibranium

yes..and I hope the mental health debate goes in a constructive direction, not the "commit someone because they look at you sideways" way

It's part of a bigger picture, but really you've got some huge elephants in the room to deal with from serious gun control, to a decent health service, to a culture glorifying violence and is paranoid in the extreme, to corruption in your political system. You won't stop these things happening totally, but the rate of these events not to mention the body count is obscene, so this really is your Omagh moment where you can use the anger people have to make a positive change for the US rather than just wring your hands and wait for the next event of mass murder.

You should not be burying seven year old kiddies a week before Christmas because of a cumulative failure to have dealt with this in the past. Take your chance and make it happen now.

**jade_nova** · 12-19-2012, 11:25 AM