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    TRIUMPH BUNNY Seresecros's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverZeal View Post
    Veeeeeeeeeery wrooooooooooooooooooooooooooong!

    YA diminishd diversity NOT ONLY 4 "losing Eli" but kid Vision/ IronLad as well.

    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand it doesnt stop der bcuz bcuz 2 mo White males got added 2 d team 2 replace 2 Robot guy & Black guy.

    Ms.A is simply der 2 promote d 1 thing dat d YA didnt hv previously.....racial tokenism, return 2 d 'norm'.

    Marvel cud hv easily replaced Patriot with Ms.A & Speed with Kid Loki & d team wud still b gd diversity-wise but 2 do wat dey did.....seriously?
    Two white gay males, I think you mean to say. Undermining the sexual diversity of the cast would be a shame, SilverZeal

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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverZeal View Post
    Veeeeeeeeeery wrooooooooooooooooooooooooooong!
    YA diminishd diversity NOT ONLY 4 "losing Eli" but kid Vision/ IronLad as well.
    Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaand it doesnt stop der bcuz bcuz 2 mo White males got added 2 d team 2 replace 2 Robot guy & Black guy.
    Ms.A is simply der 2 promote d 1 thing dat d YA didnt hv previously.....racial tokenism, return 2 d 'norm'.
    Marvel cud hv easily replaced Patriot with Ms.A & Speed with Kid Loki & d team wud still b gd diversity-wise but 2 do wat dey did.....seriously?
    Actually this is incorrect. Young Avengers began with 1 POC, 2 LGBT characters and 2 women... the new series still has (drum roll): 1 POC, 2 LGBT characters and 2 women. The diversity hasn't changed, only the colour of the POC has changed (which "suddenly" makes it so undiverse)

    P.S. why is it comics like Young Avengers (which has gender, ethnic and sexual diversity) still get ripped on; but Generation X (which didn't have ANY sexual diversity as far as I recall) gets hailed as "great diversity"???
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade X View Post
    Does she still have her powers?
    Yes, she does.

    Also, things could be better if they just brought Jesse Bedlam back. Huzzah!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kieran_Frost View Post
    Actually this is incorrect. Young Avengers began with 1 POC, 2 LGBT characters and 2 women... the new series still has (drum roll): 1 POC, 2 LGBT characters and 2 women. The diversity hasn't changed, only the colour of the POC has changed (which "suddenly" makes it so undiverse)

    P.S. why is it comics like Young Avengers (which has gender, ethnic and sexual diversity) still get ripped on; but Generation X (which didn't have ANY sexual diversity as far as I recall) gets hailed as "great diversity"???
    4/6 POC and 3/6 Females

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    1/6 POC, 2/6 Females and 2/6 LGBTS

    By the addition method GenX is superior.

    Also are you implying POC are interchangeable? From some reason I doubt you would be saying the same if Wiccan got replaced
    Last edited by JaggedFel; 12-17-2012 at 07:36 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverZeal View Post
    U missd BISHOP!
    D'OH, you're right. I'll edit my post to add Bishop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by psycwave View Post
    Yes, she does.

    Also, things could be better if they just brought Jesse Bedlam back. Huzzah!
    I'm glad to hear that she still has her powers. How big is her role in the book?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blade X View Post
    D'OH, you're right. I'll edit my post to add Bishop.
    Well technically he is back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaggedFel View Post
    4/6 POC and 3/6 Females
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    1/6 POC, 2/6 Females and 2/6 LGBTS
    By the addition method GenX is superior.
    But Young Avengers has a more diverse diversity. Gen X was wonderfully diverse... but it still lacked any LGBT characters (so it wasn't perfect... then again, what series is?). Young Avengers isn't perfect... but unlike Gen X, Young Avengers gets attacked for it's "lack of diversity"; which is odd, considering how Gen X had no LGBT characters... are POC in comics more important than LGBT ones???

    Quote Originally Posted by JaggedFel View Post
    Also are you implying POC are interchangeable?
    No. I'm saying the ration of POC remains as it always has... with one. Why do you think a latina woman counts less as a POC than a straight black male in some posters eyes?

    Quote Originally Posted by JaggedFel View Post
    From some reason I doubt you would be saying the same if Wiccan got replaced
    If Wiccan was replaced by a lesbian I wouldn't be happy (depending on who the character is, might soften the blow)... but I would never, EVER start calling the team "lacking diversity." That would be silly.
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    GenX is not even relevant. The series is dead. Two POC Males are Dead from it. Jubilee is a depowered limbo vampire. Husk and Chamber are around. Monet is the only one who gets regular use.

    I don't think anyone thinks that Latina Women count less then Black Male. More like this is another in a long line of Black Males getting screwed. See Avengers Arena for another one bites the dust while Hopeless creates 3 new white males.

    That is what I thought.
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    No. They do not represent my race well and I don’t think they ever will. Not much more to say on that subject. Moving on to next topic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaggedFel View Post
    4/6 POC and 3/6 Females

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    1/6 POC, 2/6 Females and 2/6 LGBTS

    By the addition method GenX is superior.

    Also are you implying POC are interchangeable? From some reason I doubt you would be saying the same if Wiccan got replaced
    guys, the maths is so simple. 2 POCs + 2 LGBT = 1.5 women (or 6 disabled people)

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    Nah u are not doing right. POC are 3/5 White Males
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    Quote Originally Posted by JaggedFel View Post
    GenX is not even relevant. The series is dead. Two POC Males are Dead from it. Jubilee is a depowered limbo vampire. Husk and Chamber are around. Monet is the only one who gets regular use.

    I don't think anyone thinks that Latina Women count less then Black Male. More like this is another in a long line of Black Males getting screwed. See Avengers Arena for another one bites the dust while Hopeless creates 3 new white males.

    That is what I thought.
    AUGH! Jubilee and Dazzler, two of my favorite female superheroes of all time. Jubilee as a vampire from that Curse of the Mutants arc, hit me hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by USERNAME TAKEN View Post
    1. Does race representation affect your buying habits?
    I won't buy something just because of LGBT characters, but it can create interest for me. It's one of the things I love about Wiccan and Hulkling, I love them as characters regardless of sexuality, but them being gay just makes me like them even more because it makes them more identifiable for me and they're about my age. But I haven't been buying Astonishing X-Men (although I did almost buy issue #50) or Batwoman because I don't really enjoy them that much.

    I was really pleased with one of the early issue's of Waid's Daredevil because there's a gay couple in it at one point, but there's not a big deal made about it or anything, it just happens that the person DD is talking to is gay. Which makes sense because not everyone a superhero is going to help will be straight, so that small detail made me smile while reading

    Although personally I still feel LGBT characters are still underrepresented in the MU.
    Avengers Arena is one of the best books in the shops right now, it's seriously amazing.

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    Define 'minority'. Speaking globally, the largest ethnic groups in the world are Chinese and Indian. Does that mean whites are an ethnic minority?

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