One of the worst Marvel ever did was to cross over Spider-Man with their version of the Frankenstein Monster in MARVEL TEAM-UP.
Awful, awful script by the notorious Gerry Conway.
Last edited by Cody; 12-23-2012 at 07:33 PM.
Doug Moench wrote it, who also wrote JLA: Act of God, which is considered by many to be a "Love Letter to Batman" and derails Superman, Wonder Woman, Kyle Rayner, and others.
There's also Spawn/Batman, which was written by Frank Miller and is closer to how he writes now than what made him famous.
"When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up."
- C.S. Lewis
Dory St. Johns on Wikicadia
As a general rule, I tend to stay away from any crossovers involving Superman and another Marvel superhero fighting one another. The perfect example was Thor/Superman in the JLA/Avengers crossover. Notwithstanding battle forum rules that FEATS in continuity are the ultimate deciding factor to determine what a character is capable of, etc...from a purely business standpoint, Stan Lee had it figured out. Saw him on an episode of "Comic Book Men" recently and the question was asked who is stronger, Thor or Hulk? Stan's response? Try and make it end in a draw. Simple, but sage counsel. This way, you avoid pissing off fans of either character. Writer bias is left out of the equation (YES, writer's can be fanboys too!). And finally, from a business standpoint, you set up future crossover for years to come. Don't think I'm right? Examine the Hulk/Thor rivalry that has existed for decades. Until recently, fights between these two could generally be called a draw. And the fight, to this day, generally, draws a crowd and stirs excitement on the part of fans.
Interestingly, the 1997 crossover with Superman and the Silver Surfer? Those two NEVER fought. It's almost as if DC said, "Okay. You got us on this one. He is clearly more powerful than Supes. But we will never show that."
And it has a summon system like FF does, FF type movesets and abilities, the original characters are all made by the FF staff, the magic is based and named off of the ones from FF.
As bad as most of that run was, you guys are forgetting something important. The rules of those fights was they only had to immobilize their opponent for it to count as a win. Not defeat, or knock out. So the killer whale bit was plausible for a win that that scenario. Being stuck under the whale for just a second was enough.
Hey! No one's asking you to smell it.
Alexander Hawke
You might have to be an 80's baby to remember but there was this PSA cartoon special called Cartoon All-Stars to the Rescue. Basically this kid who likes to smoke joints and steal his dad's beer gets a visit from ALF (the animated version), Alvin, Simon & Theodore (The Chipmunks), Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, Slimer, Winnie-the-Pooh, Tigger, The Smurfs, The Muppet Babies, Michelangelo (the Ninja Turtle), Garfield and Donald Duck's nephews Huey, Dewey, and Louie.
You can definitely find it on youtube for those who haven't seen it. It kind of reminds me of the ending scene from Who Framed Roger Rabbit.
"It is wrong to assume that art needs the spectator in order to be. The film runs on without any eyes. The spectator cannot exist without it. It ensures his existence." -- James Douglas Morrison
I don't know if it's been mentioned yet or not but JLA vs X-Men was the worst. The lineup was:
Superman
Batman
Wonder Woman
Flash (Wally)
Green Lantern (Kyle)
Aquaman
Martian Manhunter
vs
Storm
Jubilee
Bishop
Cyclops
Cannonball
Jean Grey
Iceman
It was PIS and SMvsFL of epic proportions. The worst was Bishop stalemating Martian Manhunter.
Of the two, I actually liked War Devil more than Frank Miller's version. The FM version was just the two being total assholes to one another, and used that god-awful McFarlan art. War Devils at least tried to be a hero book. Spawn did seem out of character, though, from what little I've seen of him, so I'll give you that.
Definitely one of the saddest match-ups ever. Flash literally did nothing in the fight, other than get blinded by Jubilee. Bishop smacked around Manhunter the whole fight, with just his fists... didn't even use his energy powers to start a fire or anything. GL and Ice Man fighting with constructs was sort of neat, then you remember GL energy should be able to just vaporize ice on contact if Kyle wanted... Now, I can see Jean Grey flooring Superman with a psi-blast, but I think it was mainly Jean fending him off with TK or something. And of course, the Wonder Woman/Storm rematch, which thankfully ended the way it should have, with the two women realizing how retarded the fighting was and calling a truce. I don't even remember what Cyclops and Jubilee were doing otherwise.
All this when just the previous issue, Batman was dancing all around them easily.
Aquaman vs. Cannonball was sadly the most even fight of the lot, I think, and those two powersets are too lopsided to make an interesting fight scene out of... either Cannonball KO's Aquaman in the first hit, or Aquaman KO's Cannonball as soon as he stops blasting.
Last edited by Sharkerbob; 12-27-2012 at 07:18 AM.
It's a lie! My pants were off the entire time!
Bookmarks