Avengers Arena #1 *Spoilers*

[Jeremi]

I dunno. He's ripped of 'Looney Tunes,' Alice in Wonderland and the Wizard of Oz in the past. It's not beneath the guy. :)

You could say that those were a thematic choice of scenery and weren't just blatant rip offs of an established story.

That would make sense if this actually involved the kids primarily who were involved in that scenario. That he got lazy with it and just grabbed the ones available at the time undermines that theory.

Yeah just thinking off any reason why he'd be doing this.

[Voss]

That's not the only problem, however, though I do think it is a big one. Mettle's death was undermined by his moral 180 several lines prior. But what you describe is little better than the standard "Women in Refrigerators" scenario (IE: character killed to facilitate the emotions of another). It's not about the character who died, but those who react to it and that, to me, is bad writing. It's not his story and that's the problem.

The more you care about a character, the more impact and thus better the death is. Check out Johnny Guitar's death in The Initiative for a good example of that.

While I agree that this is the standard "Woman in Refrigerator" scenario it is appropriate for this issue. Again, Hopeless wants to do a couple of things here. He wants to quickly build Hazmat as an important character and show that Arcade is serious about this "game". Someone had to die in this issue, there is no way around it. Either you kill off a random character that doesn't mean anything or use the death to build someone else. Hopeless made the right decision for this situation. Is it cheap? Absolutely, but then again the whole premise for this book is lazy and cheap. The very least you can do is mitigate it by making the right decisions along the way.

[Majin Gojira]

While I agree that this is the standard "Woman in Refrigerator" scenario it is appropriate for this issue. Again, Hopeless wants to do a couple of things here. He wants to quickly build Hazmat as an important character and show that Arcade is serious about this "game".

And I think he could have done it better.

Then again, I think I could have done it better.

Someone had to die in this issue, there is no way around it.

Indeed, but I just wish he did it better.

Either you kill off a random character that doesn't mean anything or use the death to build someone else. Hopeless made the right decision for this situation.

For the way he made the first kill, he made the right choice, but undermined that decision on two different points with his choices.

Then again, I wouldn't have had Arcade just pop someone like that. I'd make it much more of a game.

[BrotherUnitNo_4]

Barely. The only new ones are the Braddock kids and there's only 7 of them. Runaways introduced 6, and Academy had 5 new ones initially. It's more, but the Margin between them is minimal at best.

I'm just talking about for me. I'm actually excited to learn about the new characters here after one issue, which is something I can't exactly say about Runaways or Academy, both cases of the concept standing out more to me than the new characters.

[Majin Gojira]

I'm just talking about for me. I'm actually excited to learn about the new characters here after one issue, which is something I can't exactly say about Runaways or Academy, both cases of the concept standing out more to me than the new characters.

Sorry. That's more understandable here given how admittedly shallow the concept is.

[graffiX]

I liked this issue. I really am not a huge fan of the characters, except for Mettle and Darkhawk. But since 1 of my favorites is already dead, I could really care less for the others. I enjoyed the story and the art. So basically all the things I need from a comic book.

By the way, did anyone NOT recieve the FREE DIGITAL CODE with the book? Mine didn't come with one. I thought they were doing this with all the Marvel Now books?

I'm calling it now that they are inside a video game. That would explain the life bars.

Yeah I think this is a red herring. The hints are too obvious for a video game/VR. But then again it IS Arcade. Well, maybe not.

And I think he could have done it better.

Then again, I think I could have done it better.

You should get a job at Marvel then. Seriously. I look forward to your work.

I mean, if you're going to talk the talk....you gotta walk the walk, right?

[Mikey Brown]

Yes, he has. But the reason he stopped doing so was because he found the mundane styles of assassination boring. He could be using a VR simulation to test out his next version of Murderworld. And the kids were just convenient test subjects.That way he can run the scenario and make sure it succeeds before moving on to running it for real or using it on the adult heroes.

Yeah they could go that way but that is just a terrible premice for a comic. No way that was the pitch. Face it people, a vr sim would be a huge cop out. These kids are dying. Period. Good start to the series. Cant wait for next issue.

[Majin Gojira]

]You should get a job at Marvel then. Seriously. I look forward to your work.

I mean, if you're going to talk the talk....you gotta walk the walk, right?

Indeed. I'm working on a novel at the moment, have a short film script, a feature script (though that one needs just one more bit of polish,) and a few short stories I'll be shopping around in the near future. Just need a good idea for two more feature scripts before I can shop those around.

Thanks for the encouragement.

[graffiX]

Yeah they could go that way but that is just a terrible premice for a comic. No way that was the pitch. Face it people, a vr sim would be a huge cop out. These kids are dying. Period. Good start to the series. Cant wait for next issue.

I agree. Not to mention these are comic books....and we all know how death is so "permanent" in them anyways, right?

Some future writer can always bring some/all of these characters back. Even Dennis knows this.

[graffiX]

Indeed. I'm working on a novel at the moment, have a short film script, a feature script (though that one needs just one more bit of polish,) and a few short stories I'll be shopping around in the near future. Just need a good idea for two more feature scripts before I can shop those around.

Thanks for the encouragement.

Sure, no problem. But I'm talking about your work on comic books.

Those other mediums are all well and good, but I'm interested to see you work in THIS medium.

[Voss]

And I think he could have done it better.

Then again, I think I could have done it better.



Indeed, but I just wish he did it better.



For the way he made the first kill, he made the right choice, but undermined that decision on two different points with his choices.

Then again, I wouldn't have had Arcade just pop someone like that. I'd make it much more of a game.

If you could do it better then cool, but for 24 pages Hopeless accomplished what he needed to set a foundation for this book with outstanding art pulling him along the way (Hopeless did a great job writing to Kev Walker's art style). With the basics being established, now you can focus on making strong character development and creating interesting scenarios. I'll just say that I disagree with you and leave it at that. I don't make it a habit to defend books that I don't enjoy.

[Majin Gojira]

Sure, no problem. But I'm talking about your work on comic books.

Those other mediums are all well and good, but I'm interested to see you work in THIS medium.

Still teaching myself the format for comic scripts at the moment, when I can. In scripting, it's all about formats.

Edit: My biggest hurdle? Pacing out pages.

If you could do it better then cool, but for 24 pages Hopeless accomplished what he needed to set a foundation for this book with outstanding art pulling him along the way. With the basics being established, now you can focus on making strong character development and creating interesting scenarios. I'll just say that I disagree with you and leave it at that. I don't make it a habit to defend books that I don't enjoy.

Eh, it was 20 pages of actual story (4 of which are used for the flash forward). I'd quibble further, but I can agree to disagree.

[Luck911]

Ok the book is out.Now what complainers? You bought the first book and it confirmed what was in your opinion.You can't accurate judge the book any more because if you buy it monthly you will be supporting the book but if you read reviews to judge the book then you will be getting second hand knowledge which is not completely accurate.

Do you complain about book that you will never read?Or care to read? If you complain about this book isn't time to move on with your life and care about something you do like? Porn,Hentai,Slasher flicks,Gore Horror flicks,Cheesy romantic movies,Over top action movies,Crude comedies,B and C level sci movies all exist and their is somebody who does not like it,Will never care to watch them,Isn't it a waste of time to complain about something clearly not meant for you. Do you buy every Marvel comic? I might not like Fearless defender does it mean i should complain that fearless defender should be made to appeal to me?

At this point we get you don't like the book,You will never like the book,Yes the book took some of your favorite characters and Yes you don't want Marvel to make this a president for characters.So speak with your wallet that language companies listen too but same tired complaints over and over.It is kinda sad now.

We get that hate you the premise but the premise is not changing

We get that hate that Runway and Avenger acad kids are being used but is not going to change either

We get that you think the premise is sick and tasteless some of use some of us think it is no different from an survival horror movie or survival drama

For you complainers the journey is over,Go complain to marvel offices or wait until the numbers are bad or canceled to go see i told so here on the forums but i can't understand the interest in topic about something you don't like and don't care the like,For others and me will be reading the book each to see if it is good book and we will judge the book on merits of being a good written book or not,Something you can't get from a review or reading thread or seeing a couple scans online.

I leave with a question If Avengers Arena has successful following each month and people are buying the book,Should Marvel listen to complaints of people who are not supporting a successful book?

[Optic Rage]

It's funny, I've read every issue of AA, and i found Hazmat/Mettle far more endearing and well written in this single issue than all of AA combined which was full of bland, boring, and forgettable characterization. Good sign for the book going forward.

[kakitamike]

I'm calling it now that they are inside a video game. That would explain the life bars.

It'll be the best plot twist if Arcade didn't actually do any reading in prison, he just watched Wreck-it Ralph.