superman family adventures
Actually lobdells SB as a premise is superb,the execution has not been perfect,but the character itself is a great reinvention.
He was created to be a weapon used for evil,i like that,i also like his new personality,its very Data(ST:NG) with a leave me alone kinda attitude,his powers are way more well rounded and powerful now,he now is every bit a kryptonians equal,plus his TTK is almost alive in that its how he perceives and manilulates everything ,and story possibilites are endless with him,i cant wait for fun adventures after the stink of new wears off and we can get to actual stories.
Kal as Superboy is by far my favorite version of the character but since the poll is about Kon, then I'd say it's Kesel's Superboy with YJ as a runner-up.
They were never "backed into a corner" at all and Superboy was NEVER about who he was cloned from. It was about the end result of cellstock changed completely into a new being based solely on Superman with his own independent thing and uniqueness. Not "Westfield II clone in a cape". You said yourself that you weren't a Kon-El fan or even followed him so what books were you reading? Karl Kesel was behind the stories and not Dan Jurgens. Jurgens created Westfield years before Death was even made!
Story > supposed "Tiers" and Westfield's role > Luthor in the stories told. If you ever read any single story with him before "Reign", Westfield had a grudge against Superman following two main stories of Superman going rogue. He's the one who successfully studied Superman, captured Superman on the very first attempt, read his secrets, and actually had the motive for a government controlled Superman set before Death. He used his authority as a government bureaucrat to take the body, proved to be capable of underhandedness for his "supposed good", and actually ran the organization dedicated to cloning. And if you read the history of cloning on Krypton and how it ties to Superboy, all of it made sense to the point that he was named Kon-El after a House of El member descended from a man who fought the clones of Krypton and saved Superman's ancestor. Westfield was still around for years even after his death (so much for not being around...even made a window to bring him back) and after that, Amanda Spence, his daughter was given a motive and reason to be a major enemy for Superboy. All of this made more sense in story and theme than Luthor ever did. So no, you're wrong about that and I actually read all of the original run and Titans to state that. Westfield was Superboy's enemy. Superman is Luthor's enemy. Westfield had anger for Luthor taking Superman's body away which lead to Superboy's creation and a war between Cadmus and Lexcorp. Luthor had a hand in Metallo, Bizarro, Parasite, Doomsday Clones, Supergirl clones, AND Superboy? He doesn't have to be in every single facet of Superman. And no "tiers" should even be there when it comes to reading the book and seeing how everything played out. Joker's higher than Joe Chill but they still used Chill in other media and comics when it comes to Batman's origin based on the story told. Norman Osborn is higher than the Jackal, but who is still behind Ben Reilly, Kaine, and other clones? It's using what makes sense.
Titans didn't even get any of the character right from origin to powers to even what the clone was supposed to be. He rewrote it based on wanting to shoehorn Luthor in there and didn't even bother looking at the 20+ books that stated his origins or knew that he wasn't a hybrid (and pitched it before Titans). Westfield was a "wacked out scientist" according to Johns and he even got Cadmus and Match wrong. Match was never a Bizarro and "Cadmus Labs" never worked with Lex. Even his new powers shown in his original series and Batgirl was never even mentioned again and he got redundant powers that completely removed the purpose of tactile telekinesis.
Lex Luthor was never a geneticist or a cloner. He NEEDED help to make his clone body from the man who created Bizarro and had his own scientists to make clones in his own secret Lexcorp facility. And facts you failed to mention is that Luthor DIDN'T know about Superboy, he personally stopped any attempt to clone Superman, and was PARANOID about Superman returning from the dead as a clone before Superboy was even made. Read Funeral for a Friend. Lex stated it MANY a time. And when he got conformation that Superman couldn't be cloned, Luthor actually was HAPPY. Elated. Glad. He had control of the city, his Supergirl, and his own clones of Supergirl ready (Supergirl miniseries 1994). For one to actually willingly recreate his own nemesis with his own DNA made no sense in story or in execution. Luthor had Superboy alone many a time in Reign and didn't have any sign or clue of him. And how in the world in make sense to make Superboy a hybrid when he made and given powers based on the fact that Superman couldn't be cloned but could create a Kryptonian equivalent who was a Earth based Kryptonian?
And all of these retcons happened two years before Infinite Crisis and even more retcons were made throughout Titans. IC had nothing to do with it.
Last edited by C-Dot; 12-14-2012 at 08:09 PM.
Well the poll looks like the original kesel SB wins,and the YJ SB is second,and its funny cause they are the most opposite,having nothing besides cadmus in their origin.actuallyif they combined those two versions together,they would makes the perfect SB easily,thats my opinion atleast.
About the poll . . . does Smallville feature a version of clone-boy?
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I voted for Kesel, and 2nd place would be YJ, but I do like the overall concept for new52 superboy. Unfortunately, like most of lobdell's recent work, the execution falls flat.
On the lex issue, I didn't mind him being the donor, since it's another layer to the character, but I hated how long he dwelled on it and how long it defined him.
Just cause you like a character doesnt mean you trash another,in a thread completely and tottally about that character.