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    Quote Originally Posted by kalorama View Post
    It's not an either or thing. They're both. It's a gesture on Superman's part but, at the some time, he recognizes the symbolic power of allowing himself to be cuffed and and taken into custody.
    Exactly. It is a pure Superman moment, through and through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonofspam View Post
    I don't think the original version of the suit would work well in what seems to be the tone and style of this movie.
    The original suit would work fine, colours on a uniform don't dictate the writing and direction of a story. I'd argue it would even work BETTER, with all the crap going on around him having something bright and optimistic shining through that would help!

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    The suit actually looks more colorful in action, with the lighting effects in force.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kalorama View Post
    It struck me as something a father would definitely say if he's scared of his son being locked away as a lab rat or a prisoner or hunted down and killed if the world sees him as threat. If given a choice between sacrificing the lives of strangers to protect their own children, most parents would at least give it serious consideration. And, really, that's all Jonathan was doing. He didn't say "hell yes, let them die!" He was just reluctantly acknowledging the possibility that saving their lives could potentially cost Clark his (albeit indirectly).
    Probably, but it still struck me as something he'd never say. Of course others might feel different. Not to mention not every version of JK has to be the same I guess.
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    Hopefully it's great, and the trailer doesn't have me doubting that it could be. I do have my concerns about the portrayal of Pa Kent. Amy Adams is a fine actress and should be able to play Lois Lane well.
    My main complaint is Hollywood thinking they can only draw from Hollywood for the stories. OK, Superman and Superman II were the 2 best Superman movies, so they borrow telling an origin story from Superman and Zod as a villain from Superman II. Too bad there aren't 70+ years of stories in Superman and Action Comics plus numerous other titles to draw upon...
    We don't need a re-telling of his origin. Stop any kid on the street and he could probably tell you Superman's origin before he'd know the Nativity story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagnusRex View Post
    LMAO! Superman is pretty much a god. If he wanted to, he could pull a Kid Marvelman and make the world rain with blood and body parts. So him letting handcuffs placed on him is a gesture that he's safe and conforming to the law. It's him saying that even though I am damn near a god, I don't see myself as above you. They're not a symbol of authority over him. It's pretty clear that he can do whatever he wants. The cuffs are simply a gesture of good will.

    Superman just going with them is a gesture in and of itself. The handcuffs are just a heavy handed visual of the same gesture that's already visualised by going with them; it's stupid because everyone knows the handcuffs can't do anything, yet they're still putting them on him.
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    I would think the simple fact that he turned himself in would be a gesture of good will since they could never come close to catching him on their own, but who knows..maybe it just makes people feel better. Gives them the illusion of even a small amount of control even if they really don't have any control whatsoever. Admittedly I'm grasping at straws here.

    Of course for all we know they are super special awesome handcuffs capable of holding super beings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sonofspam View Post
    I don't think the original version of the suit would work well in what seems to be the tone and style of this movie.
    The big problem with the suit isn't that it doesn't look like the original version, it's the weird little flourishes they've added to it, like the goofy looking pseudobelt built into the suit. It could also have use some lighter brighter colors, which could have worked while still not looking too bright with the color correction they're using

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike Pothier View Post
    The suit actually looks more colorful in action, with the lighting effects in force.
    I'm sure we've all seen the triler, the suit doesn't look colorful in any way. It's a dark blue with a muted red.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simbob4000 View Post
    The big problem with the suit isn't that it doesn't look like the original version
    You're a fan of the red underwear, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Simbob4000 View Post
    The big problem with the suit isn't that it doesn't look like the original version, it's the weird little flourishes they've added to it, like the goofy looking pseudobelt built into the suit. It could also have use some lighter brighter colors, which could have worked while still not looking too bright with the color correction they're using
    It looks a lot better than the one in the last Superman movie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Treqqor View Post
    The original suit would work fine, colours on a uniform don't dictate the writing and direction of a story. I'd argue it would even work BETTER, with all the crap going on around him having something bright and optimistic shining through that would help!
    It's hard to say honestly it could look out of place and weird or it couldn't it just depends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by verslibre View Post
    You're a fan of the red underwear, huh?
    No, I've never liked the red underwear...I think that was help by only a small group of artist being able to not make them look dumb. But then, I said the problem is not that it doesn't look the original suit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surtur View Post
    I would think the simple fact that he turned himself in would be a gesture of good will since they could never come close to catching him on their own, but who knows..maybe it just makes people feel better. Gives them the illusion of even a small amount of control even if they really don't have any control whatsoever. Admittedly I'm grasping at straws here.
    If anything you're stating a fundamental truth about human psychology: people like to feel in control, even if that control is only symbolic and illusory. If the world sees Superman as a threat, then seeing him in handcuffs under armed guard will make them feel better, even if it's functionally meaningless. Honestly, I can't imagine what part of that some people seem to find so hard to grasp.
    Last edited by kalorama; 12-13-2012 at 09:19 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kalorama View Post
    If anything you're stating a fundamental truth about human psychology: people like to feel in control, even if that control is only symbolic and illusory. If the world sees Superman as a threat, then seeing him in handcuffs under armed guard will make them feel better, even if it's functionally meaningless. Honestly, I can't imagine what part of that some people seem to find so hard to grasp.
    The armed guards and handcuffs wouldn't make anyone feel better if they know those things are useless, when you know the control is an illusion the illusion doesn't continue to comfort.

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