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    Quote Originally Posted by Namtab View Post
    Yeah, that's the part I don't get. Luke took a lot of force lightning to the face and body in Jedi, but was no worse for ware, afterwards. Technically, the Wampa (motorcyle accident) did a bigger number on him in ESB. Was Papa Palpatine just throwing super-powerful force lightning at Mace, but only moderately bad lights at Luke? Or did Lucas have a "der" moment?
    Palpatine was torturing Luke. That was clear when he gave short bursts, before saying, "Now you will die" and then pouring it on. With Mace, Palpatine was trying to provoke a reaction out of Mace and because of that and the circuit effect, his face went to hell.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eumenidus
    1) And when a lot of people are doing the same thing, it's a fad. And a man who thinks for himself refuses to follow fads. Snyder is the director, don't blame the DP. The palette of the movie is what it is because Snyder allows it. If he had a different vision, the DP would simply have to obey.
    No more a fad then when everyone began using technicolor, cinema scope and lens flare.

    2) He's laughed in the comics, that's good enough for me. And the Reeve Superman smiled and had a generally good-humored look and didn't look like he was having a miserable day every second of his life. Cavill's Superman is a joyless being, from what the trailer shows.
    We're only seeing Clark Kent in most of the trailers, when he's in adolescence and when he's trying to figure out his place in the world. Points in time when he isn't going to be happy. When he's Superman, he's in serious situations. The previous trailers for the other films, didn't show a smiling Superman either.

    3) You did read the bit where I wrote I didn't care much for Nolan's Batman trilogy, yes? So as you may imagine, I don't care about Superman having to show why he should exist - that's self-evident, because he's a fictional character and someone wants to tell a story with him. Although from the trailer, not a very good one. Modern culture is strangely obsessed with origins: the first Bond story, who Robin Hood was before he was Robin Hood, Hannibal Lecter's childhood, the trauma of poor Darth Vader. I just don't care. I never needed the origin story of Sam Spade to like The Maltese Falcon. I don't know what prompted John McLane to be a cop, but I love the first three Die Hard movies. I didn't need to see the childhood of Rambo to feel sad about a poor veteran being picked on by a pushy sheriff. And I right now I doubt this movie is going to be better than any of those.
    The origin is important to understand the character and to set up the world. The Donner film showed the origin to set up the relationship with Jor-El, the forthcoming battle with the Phantom Zoners, the relationship with Lois and the consequences of what happens when Clark lets his guard down. Nolan's origin gave us a reason for a man to dress up in a costume, rather than join the police force or the FBI. It also tied in to his fight with Scarecrow and Ra's, as well as his future fight with Bane and Talia. Bond's beginnings make him different from the Bond that was in existence before. "Casino Royale" was the first Bond story and it was only adapted outside of EON, until a few years ago when the rights were finally cleared up and it was used to make a clean break. Every story has a beginning and a complete story starts at the beginning.

    Oh and "Die Hard" had an origin comic that showed McClane as a rookie cop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stk View Post
    Yeah, I agree with this. Although at the same time, I can see how elements of the trailer could seem very promising to the public at large.
    I agree. There are encouraging elements in the trailer to be sure. It does look like action scenes will be much better in this than in previous Superman films, for example.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tra-EL View Post
    Good post, Darth. I agree. I've been following reactions and little snippets of the internet community when it comes to not only Superman, but the MOS and EVERYBODY is saying the same thing. Even with the Superman franchise on film stuttering and tripping all over their two left feet since 2006 (as well as the things you've mentioned above like below-below average video games and hit-missing in the comics) there's a GREAT and IMMEDIATE NEED that everybody feels when it comes to a great Superman flick. After this trailer, the large majority of the people are letting their voices heard that this will "finally" be the "Superman" we all deserve.
    Yeah, I want MoS to be a success. Honestly, it needs to be. And I do think MoS (due a lot to Cavill) is going to totally capture "intense Superman". So they're half-way there. I'll get to the other half in a second.


    Quote Originally Posted by Eumenides View Post

    2) He's laughed in the comics, that's good enough for me. And the Reeve Superman smiled and had a generally good-humored look and didn't look like he was having a miserable day every second of his life. Cavill's Superman is a joyless being, from what the trailer shows.
    I'd love for MoS to end with a smiling Superman flying towards the camera. But I'm not too picky about how the movie gets there. And I don't need Superman to laugh. It's fine if he does, but he's not The Joker. ;-) Superman is an optimist, but he's also practical and generally serious-minded.


    Quote Originally Posted by Lexrules View Post
    It is great to see this.

    We all having different ideas on how we think Superman should be portrayed in either story or look wise but we all agree it's great to see the character succeed in any form.

    Let's hope this trailer could ride this wave of success through the opening and beyond while helping Superman get back to #1 on all levels of entertainment.
    I'd love to see that.


    Quote Originally Posted by misslane38 View Post
    I honestly believe that the best thing about Man of Steel is going to be watching him become joyful. Confusion and rejection will likely define his youth, he'll make the choice to be a hero of "good character" like his adopted father said he would, he'll have to fight fear and doubt within and without to prove his good character, and with affirmation and success he will ultimately find joy. I believe that's a powerful and uplifting story that will appeal to many.
    This is what I'm hoping.

    My view on Superman is that he's a generally upbeat, smiling guy when things are going well, but that he's very focused and intense when problems need to be dealt with.

    Reeve achieved this balance beautifully, which is key to the Superman character. Superman should be a guy you'd love to hang out with when things are going well, but also the first guy you'd want to have your back when trouble strikes.

    Movie trailers will naturally emphasize the latter of course. Hopefully the movie won't forget the former.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Joker View Post
    The Twitter thing has to be very encouraging to the people behind the production of this film. Let's be fair here - Those are great numbers, and MoS producers should be very happy about them.

    However, I think it says more about the incredible resiliency of Superman himself than it does about MoS in particular. When you consider all the crappy Superman video games, and how the movies have been a very mixed bag since Superman III, it's amazing to see that Superman (as a concept) remains as popular as it is. In some ways, MoS is coming out at the perfect time, I think. People want a Superman success story. They want a successful Superman movie. They're longing for one.

    MoS will likely be a success. Even as someone not fond of some elements of it, I'll admit that.
    Actually I think MOs shld be given its due.AThe movie is presenting Superman in a light that the Public clearly is liking-Purists my hate it but Mos doig so is what will ensure its success-not just "Its superman".If they released another fanboy Superman movie like SR the reactions wld be very different

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zionite1 View Post
    Actually I think MOs shld be given its due.AThe movie is presenting Superman in a light that the Public clearly is liking-Purists my hate it but Mos doig so is what will ensure its success-not just "Its superman".If they released another fanboy Superman movie like SR the reactions wld be very different
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat001 View Post
    Palpatine was torturing Luke. That was clear when he gave short bursts, before saying, "Now you will die" and then pouring it on. With Mace, Palpatine was trying to provoke a reaction out of Mace and because of that and the circuit effect, his face went to hell.
    lol, Mat, I respect your tenacity. Yeah, let's just go with your explanation.

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    Or a computer,...with a full keyboard. Those work great, too.
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gqrjI8PjMU

    My thoughts on the trailer and the movie of Man of Steel overall.

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    What's still the biggest argument about the MOS trailer?

    Oh my god, I can't believe so many people love this trailer, it's not fair! It's just not fair!
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMilesSimon View Post
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gqrjI8PjMU

    My thoughts on the trailer and the movie of Man of Steel overall.
    You joined the forum just to post a link to your video?

    Too bad you couldn't have just expressed your thoughts here...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl O'Neill View Post
    What's still the biggest argument about the MOS trailer?

    Oh my god, I can't believe so many people love this trailer, it's not fair! It's just not fair!
    The biggest argument is that Jonathan Kent said "Maybe" in response to Clark's asking what he should have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat001 View Post
    The biggest argument is that Jonathan Kent said "Maybe" in response to Clark's asking what he should have done.
    You'd think Pa Kent wasn't human or something, wouldn't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl O'Neill View Post
    What's still the biggest argument about the MOS trailer?

    Oh my god, I can't believe so many people love this trailer, it's not fair! It's just not fair!
    I'm not reading that at all. With only a couple exceptions, most people seem to love the trailer. Issues with the costume notwithstanding. The Jonathan line -- which is the best, most powerful moment of the trailer, imo -- seems to be the only real point of contention for anyone. Maybe you are thinking of a different thread? Or another site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by stk View Post
    I'm not reading that at all. With only a couple exceptions, most people seem to love the trailer. Issues with the costume notwithstanding. The Jonathan line -- which is the best, most powerful moment of the trailer, imo -- seems to be the only real point of contention for anyone. Maybe you are thinking of a different thread? Or another site?
    Hmmm? i'm seen a lot of message board users dispute how well loved the trailer has been received.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl O'Neill View Post
    Hmmm? i'm seen a lot of message board users dispute how well loved the trailer has been received.
    I've read a couple who repeat themselves endlessly, but not a great number of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stk View Post
    I've read a couple who repeat themselves endlessly, but not a great number of people.
    Unless those guys are the same people on other forums. But it's not that important to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karl O'Neill View Post
    You'd think Pa Kent wasn't human or something, wouldn't you?
    Pa Kent is supposed to be an extraordinarily moral person who believes much more in doing the right thing than the average person. If the trailer is accurate, then the MOS Pa Kent fails to meet this standard. But it could easily be taken out of context as movie trailers tend to do that sort of thing. I intensely disliked it at first, but I am taking a wait and see approach to it since the scene is incomplete. But I do not want to see a Pa Kent who actually wants Kal to let people die because he is paranoid about the "gubment".
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