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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat001 View Post
    He said, "No, no, you will die!" which is different from "NOOO!". As to a hiss, that was a growl more than hiss.
    I guess since we're mostly on the same page regarding MoS, It's okay to disagree with you here. Whether it's "no, no.." or "hiss vs. growl," it all seemed like over-acting, to me. All I can say is RotJ Emperor > RotS Sidious.
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    The growl is a Sith war cry. But in regards to the rest, that was intentional for Anakin's benefit. Since that's what he was using to lure him into turning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat001 View Post
    The growl is a Sith war cry. But in regards to the rest, that was intentional for Anakin's benefit. Since that's what he was using to lure him into turning.
    Well, the over-acting (imo), continued in Sidious' battle with Yoda, so that wasn't for Anakin's benefit.

    I actually think Palpatine/Sidious was one of the (few) good parts of the Prequels, but somehow, he get's worse when he is confronted by Mace, and gets force lighting to the face (which still doesn't make sense to me).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Namtab View Post
    I guess since we're mostly on the same page regarding MoS, It's okay to disagree with you here. Whether it's "no, no.." or "hiss vs. growl," it all seemed like over-acting, to me
    It seemed almost like they were making some kind of commentary on tv evangelism, the way Sidious was carrying on and hamming it up.

    But let's not go too far down the prequel path.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stk View Post
    It seemed almost like they were making some kind of commentary on tv evangelism, the way Sidious was carrying on and hamming it up.

    But let's not go too far down the prequel path.
    "...forever will it dominate your destiny." Still hoping for a redemption of sorts from Episode VII.

    You could be right about the TV Evangelism angle, but still...

    Anyways, to get back to MoS...I just saw this on Pinterest today:



    It's not a great photoshop job, but still gives you an idea of how MoS/Cavill Superman might look next to Batman in a JL movie. (Yes, I realize that's Bale, and know that Nolan-Batman will not be in the JL movie)

    They also added red to Superman's belt, which of course, is a great improvement.

    Also loving the Black and Grey Batsuit, and I'm really hoping they go with this color scheme in the JL movie.
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    If Twitter was as popular as it was when Phantom Menace came out, I bet that would have been off the charts!
    Of course, some people liked Phantom Menace, but it's not even close to an indication of quality.

    And seriously, comparing it to the hype of Twilight? And being proud that it's more hyped than THAT movie? Not exactly aiming the quality bar very high, are we.

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    Superman and Batman are the easier roles to cast when it comes to a JL movie. Both having many adaptions on the big screen before. The real test will be the other superheroes like Green Lantern, The Flash and Wonder Woman etc. My fear is that WB will just throw them all in together, but won't have a great script nor producer/director for the movie. Again Marvel superheroes were fleshed out prior to the Avengers get-together which was the smart thing imho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Namtab View Post
    Well, the over-acting (imo), continued in Sidious' battle with Yoda, so that wasn't for Anakin's benefit.
    That wasn't over acting. That was gloating. Stalin would have gloated if the Soviet Union had begun to dominate over the US.

    I actually think Palpatine/Sidious was one of the (few) good parts of the Prequels, but somehow, he get's worse when he is confronted by Mace, and gets force lighting to the face (which still doesn't make sense to me).
    The duel with Mace was Sidious relishing the fact that he was about to win. The Sith Lightning was causing damaging his face, causing it to wither. Not to mention he was drawing deep into the dark side, which is too much for mere flesh.


    Quote Originally Posted by Treqqor
    If Twitter was as popular as it was when Phantom Menace came out, I bet that would have been off the charts!
    Of course, some people liked Phantom Menace, but it's not even close to an indication of quality.
    It's not about quality. It's about generating interest.

    And seriously, comparing it to the hype of Twilight? And being proud that it's more hyped than THAT movie? Not exactly aiming the quality bar very high, are we.
    Actually, it is. At present, "Breaking Dawn" part one's tweets was considered something of a big deal as the article pointed out. Even "The Avengers" couldn't reach those numbers, but "Man Of Steel" managed to surpass both films. That says a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat001 View Post
    The duel with Mace was Sidious relishing the fact that he was about to win. The Sith Lightning was causing damaging his face, causing it to wither. Not to mention he was drawing deep into the dark side, which is too much for mere flesh.
    Yeah, that's the part I don't get. Luke took a lot of force lightning to the face and body in Jedi, but was no worse for ware, afterwards. Technically, the Wampa (motorcyle accident) did a bigger number on him in ESB. Was Papa Palpatine just throwing super-powerful force lightning at Mace, but only moderately bad lights at Luke? Or did Lucas have a "der" moment?
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    The Twitter thing has to be very encouraging to the people behind the production of this film. Let's be fair here - Those are great numbers, and MoS producers should be very happy about them.

    However, I think it says more about the incredible resiliency of Superman himself than it does about MoS in particular. When you consider all the crappy Superman video games, and how the movies have been a very mixed bag since Superman III, it's amazing to see that Superman (as a concept) remains as popular as it is. In some ways, MoS is coming out at the perfect time, I think. People want a Superman success story. They want a successful Superman movie. They're longing for one.

    MoS will likely be a success. Even as someone not fond of some elements of it, I'll admit that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Joker View Post
    The Twitter thing has to be very encouraging to the people behind the production of this film. Let's be fair here - Those are great numbers, and MoS producers should be very happy about them.

    However, I think it says more about the incredible resiliency of Superman himself than it does about MoS in particular. When you consider all the crappy Superman video games, and how the movies have been a very mixed bag since Superman III, it's amazing to see that Superman (as a concept) remains as popular as it is. In some ways, MoS is coming out at the perfect time, I think. People want a Superman success story. They want a successful Superman movie. They're longing for one.
    Yeah, I agree with this. Although at the same time, I can see how elements of the trailer could seem very promising to the public at large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Joker View Post
    The Twitter thing has to be very encouraging to the people behind the production of this film. Let's be fair here - Those are great numbers, and MoS producers should be very happy about them.

    However, I think it says more about the incredible resiliency of Superman himself than it does about MoS in particular. When you consider all the crappy Superman video games, and how the movies have been a very mixed bag since Superman III, it's amazing to see that Superman (as a concept) remains as popular as it is. In some ways, MoS is coming out at the perfect time, I think. People want a Superman success story. They want a successful Superman movie. They're longing for one.

    MoS will likely be a success. Even as someone not fond of some elements of it, I'll admit that.

    Good post, Darth. I agree. I've been following reactions and little snippets of the internet community when it comes to not only Superman, but the MOS and EVERYBODY is saying the same thing. Even with the Superman franchise on film stuttering and tripping all over their two left feet since 2006 (as well as the things you've mentioned above like below-below average video games and hit-missing in the comics) there's a GREAT and IMMEDIATE NEED that everybody feels when it comes to a great Superman flick. After this trailer, the large majority of the people are letting their voices heard that this will "finally" be the "Superman" we all deserve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat001 View Post
    1) He is thinking for himself. He's not using his green screen coloring techniques that he used on "Sucker Punch" and "300". As to the color timing in general, that's pretty much what a lot of DP's are using today. Especially when using digital cameras.

    2) When has Superman ever laughed in a film or a television series? Why does he need to laugh?

    3) The origin is to distance itself from the previous film series and like with the recent Batman films, give credence to why Superman should exist and what it is he has to offer. The origin was important in ASS, because it was never intended as an origin, but as an ending. Here, this is a new beginning and as such, it needs to be explored.
    1) And when a lot of people are doing the same thing, it's a fad. And a man who thinks for himself refuses to follow fads. Snyder is the director, don't blame the DP. The palette of the movie is what it is because Snyder allows it. If he had a different vision, the DP would simply have to obey.

    2) He's laughed in the comics, that's good enough for me. And the Reeve Superman smiled and had a generally good-humored look and didn't look like he was having a miserable day every second of his life. Cavill's Superman is a joyless being, from what the trailer shows.

    3) You did read the bit where I wrote I didn't care much for Nolan's Batman trilogy, yes? So as you may imagine, I don't care about Superman having to show why he should exist - that's self-evident, because he's a fictional character and someone wants to tell a story with him. Although from the trailer, not a very good one. Modern culture is strangely obsessed with origins: the first Bond story, who Robin Hood was before he was Robin Hood, Hannibal Lecter's childhood, the trauma of poor Darth Vader. I just don't care. I never needed the origin story of Sam Spade to like The Maltese Falcon. I don't know what prompted John McLane to be a cop, but I love the first three Die Hard movies. I didn't need to see the childhood of Rambo to feel sad about a poor veteran being picked on by a pushy sheriff. And I right now I doubt this movie is going to be better than any of those.

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    It is great to see this.

    We all having different ideas on how we think Superman should be portrayed in either story or look wise but we all agree it's great to see the character succeed in any form.

    Let's hope this trailer could ride this wave of success through the opening and beyond while helping Superman get back to #1 on all levels of entertainment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eumenides View Post
    Cavill's Superman is a joyless being, from what the trailer shows.
    I honestly believe that the best thing about Man of Steel is going to be watching him become joyful. Confusion and rejection will likely define his youth, he'll make the choice to be a hero of "good character" like his adopted father said he would, he'll have to fight fear and doubt within and without to prove his good character, and with affirmation and success he will ultimately find joy. I believe that's a powerful and uplifting story that will appeal to many.

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