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    This would be a good reason to reintroduce Marvel Comics Presents:.

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    I liked Avengers Academy, but it's a shame the Initiative was phased out in favor of it. They could have easily co-existed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaPhone View Post
    I liked Avengers Academy, but it's a shame the Initiative was phased out in favor of it. They could have easily co-existed.
    Youth in Revolt was a chance to get those kids going again, but nobody bought it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Songbird/Diamondback View Post
    Youth in Revolt was a chance to get those kids going again, but nobody bought it.
    I did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Songbird/Diamondback View Post
    Youth in Revolt was a chance to get those kids going again, but nobody bought it.
    Quote Originally Posted by highwayguy View Post
    I did.
    So did I. And as I just posted in the NW Appreciation Thread, it's amazing the amount of teen/young heroes lying around that you could use to form an intresting new team of New Warriors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rheged View Post
    Weren't the Rangers in Scarlet Spider?
    Yes, they were......

    Quote Originally Posted by highwayguy View Post
    Yeah, I loved the Initiative too. I just couldn't bring myself to move on to Avengers Academy because of that. I know I'm missing out. I will try it out eventually. Same goes for Avengers Arena.

    Fear Itself: Youth In Revolt answered your questions. The Initiative itself is defunct. But the teams themselves are still active in an Initiative-type set-up. I can't remember all of the details. I'll need to re-read the series.
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaPhone View Post
    I liked Avengers Academy, but it's a shame the Initiative was phased out in favor of it. They could have easily co-existed.
    You did missed out on when some of the former Initiative Members were seen with Jeremy Briggs within AVENGERS ACADEMY #26.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highwayguy View Post
    I did.
    Me too. Man, I wished people got interested in these characters. Now look where we ended up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Songbird/Diamondback View Post
    Me too. Man, I wished people got interested in these characters. Now look where we ended up!
    Tell me about it....And my apologies for bringing this up S/D but with the exception of Reptil (and maybe Darkhawk); at least none of the former Initiative members are on Arcade's "MurderIsland".

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaxHouse View Post
    Tell me about it....And my apologies for bringing this up S/D but with the exception of Reptil (and maybe Darkhawk); at least none of the former Initiative members are on Arcade's "MurderIsland".
    Um...they mentioned in that one liveblog/interview that there will be some involvement with the Initiative... (I'm hoping to god they don't reveal that this is the second arena and we see dead Cloud 9, Komodo, Spider-Girl, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Songbird/Diamondback View Post
    Youth in Revolt was a chance to get those kids going again, but nobody bought it.


    it's a pretty well known fact that mini series rarely ever sell all that well (unless there's some type of big name attached) & if the roles were reversed with the Avengers Academy kids starring in the book I'm reasonably certain the numbers would've been around the same. Having said all that I did remember getting a little upset to see that basically nobody bought the book thus proving that no matter how well ATI was written (& it was written well) the only reason it had the longevity it did was because it had Avengers in the title.



    Oh well hopefully somebody who starred in ATI makes a semi meaningful appearance sometime soon.

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    I bought and loved Youth In Revolt (except the ending with Thor Girl and Cloud 9's new design), sadly much like Young Allies folk just didn't show up for the sales.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaPhone View Post
    I liked Avengers Academy, but it's a shame the Initiative was phased out in favor of it. They could have easily co-existed.
    Much preferred the Initiative. Still read them today, Gauntlet was a great addition, and some of the corners they explored of the Marvel verse were fascinating. Read the first year of Academy, but the cast just weren't as interesting.
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    Now that the Avengers are finally expanding and handling more global threats, I think it would be the perfect time to ressurect the Initiative so that the teams could handle "localized" threats.
    Launch a new THE INITIATIVE comic featuring different teams every arc, but keep each story somewhat connected to the other so that the book doesn't feel like a set of minis.
    I'd also make the Dark Avengers a kind of "Shadow Initiative", a secret team tasked with doing the US government's dirty work. All the other teams would be acting in public and would also get government funding.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Sword Is Drawn View Post
    The Initiative was one of the best concepts to come out of Marvel in the last ten years. It was an actual attempt to widen the spectrum of Marvel's universe beyond EVERY LAST DAMN STORY BEING EXCLUSIVELY SET IN NYC.

    And therefore got pretty much shelved with 12 months of its conception. :(

    I loved the concept. It was the one decent thing to have come out of Civil War. I just couldn;t figure why outside of Avengers: The Initiative no other writers chose to run with it.

    This is my larger compaint with the supposed status quo changes of every Marvel event. It seems that only guys like Dan Slott and Christos Gage DO use the concepts. Huge missed opportunities. I'm re-reading Avengers Academy at the moment, and I feel a huge echo of this feeling with regards all the references to The Heroic Age. It seems Marvel just can't hold onto a concept for more than 6 months after floating it, because its pushed out of the way by the next one.
    Every concepts attached to Civil War was pretty much thrown away because Mark Millar, the creator was supposed the shepperd the "new World" by doing a few books himself. He came off with most of the concepts and new takes on books himself like The Order and Omega Flight and the new Ellis-written Thunderbolts and Heroes for Hire, etc...But he was too exausted and had to take a break from comics. Then most of the new books got cancelled because of poor sales. But really after a big moments like Spider-Man revealing identity and this been erased the moment that event ended in One More Day, you have to question how dedicated management was for what came out of Civil War. After all of this happened, I turned 100% cynical and stopped following any of their events since I knew the changes were artificial.

    The 50 States Initiative was no doubt an interesting concept, I wish we would have seen more of the teams that would have emerged from it. Even the book "The Initiative" did not adress the initial idea since it was just one group of kids in training. I wish we would have seen more teams being created, especially veterans super-heroes being re-trained and re-outfited(maybe even renamed?) to fit a new Pro-Reg World. Personaly I would be excited to see a "What if ?" title dedicated to a post CW world focused exlusively on the creation of all the teams.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theXfactor View Post
    Now that the Avengers are finally expanding and handling more global threats, I think it would be the perfect time to ressurect the Initiative so that the teams could handle "localized" threats.
    Launch a new THE INITIATIVE comic featuring different teams every arc, but keep each story somewhat connected to the other so that the book doesn't feel like a set of minis.
    I'd also make the Dark Avengers a kind of "Shadow Initiative", a secret team tasked with doing the US government's dirty work. All the other teams would be acting in public and would also get government funding.
    Marvel NOW! would have been the ideal place to restart the Initiative since we have an Avengers team larger than ever trying to face all the threats. But I think you need a big menace to be the sort of rallying cry for the Avengers to have to start an Initiative and come up with 50 teams. Would be interesting to see the villains up the ante and harm themselves and attack the heroes all over the place. And then the Avengers team from Marvel NOW! get defeated. A new big villain comes in and an emergency is called upon and multiple teams get created. More interesting the threat could be Avengers-made, like maybe a mistake made by the Illuminatti/New Avengers, maybe?
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