Would Storm be more successful if she is a white male?

[Home made ectoplasm]

I feel we are only a few more anecdotes away from answering the question of which country is more racist once and for all

[Kieran_Frost]

It might not be career ending only because the U.S. is more overzealous than Britain when it comes to people who make dumb statements. But if there were a Chinese president and someone called him Oriental in the U.S. then it would probably be career ending as well.

See, this is where we just will have to agree to disagree; because I just don't agree. It's obviously all hypothetical; and maybe I'm too influenced by a) not seeing "Oriental" as this horrible word, so in-cased in racism, because the word itself is perfectly fine used to describe "Oriental influences, Oriental items, etc" and b) the 95% of time I've seen the word "negro" used is in American race movies; where it is ALWAYS used as a negative and entrenched in racism... I am 100% sure calling Obama a "negro" would end someone's career. I don't see calling Lucy Liu Oriental (in America) as doing the same thing; it won't help anyone's career, but I could see someone recovering from it. But not with Obama.

You use the "Oriental rug" as an example. No-one is "aghast" and shocked and runs off for the hills upon hearing this (i.e the word isn't instantly seen as a BAD thing). No-one goes into an African influenced store and says "oh look honey, a negro rug". And IF they did, people WOULD be aghast. No-one is used to hearing that word as anything but bad, the same is NOT true of Oriental (hence why I see it as far less offensive/upsetting/career ending).

The UK is a different world than the US when it comes to stuff like that. Like I said, the Irish cabbie I used quite frequently when I was in Dublin referred to black people as coloured people. I let it slide because I knew the dude meant no harm by it and frankly as a black guy I found it an amusing anecdote to share regarding my life in Europe. I also saw a lot of stuff go down in London that if people did it at work in the US would result in their being disciplined or fired.

It's difficult, because I went to the Mid-west for university; and found race a big issue for so many there (BUT... also not AS BIG as is often portrayed in the media)... but I've never found Britain to have the same issues; not to that degree. Maybe it's the circles I live in? Who knows?

I feel we are only a few more anecdotes away from answering the question of which country is more racist once and for all

LOL!!!

[jabu46]

Not that I agree wholly with the poster you're responding to...but...

If one were to actually read my earlier post concerning the "all races" of Storm argument, one would know I already referred to this scan that has already been proven to not even state the argument anywhere on the page. Reading comprehension please (looking at you Kieran)

ONE : NOWHERE ON THE PICTURE DOES THE DOCTOR ACTUALLY SAY THAT STORM IS NOT BIOLOGICALLY AFRICAN/BLACK. Again, comprehension people. The doctor says her features "appear" to be an amalgam of all races, which, as one who has actually traveled knows, isn't surprising since Africans worldwide have various features. (Just like "gasp" white people!) Even some with blue and green eyes. Kenyans and Ethiopians are known to have Anglo Saxon features. Which comes to the second point....

TWO: HER MOTHER IS BLACK AFRICAN (KENYAN) AND HER FATHER IS AFRICAN AMERICAN. Please explain how you get a person of "all races" from two black parents. Please. Cause she's a mutant? Show me where it says that in the books. And if so, Cyclops, and Rogue must not be white. Her witch ancestry? Again, has nothing to do with race, and again, show me where it says that in the books.

PLEASE show me something besides the same page from twenty years ago that not only DOES NOT STATE SHE IS BIOLOGICALLY ALL RACES, BUT JUST THAT HER FEATURES APPEAR TO BE OF VARIOUS AESTHETICS, but is also refuted by CURRENTwriters today that say she's black ( white ones, not just Hudlin, was not referring to him) but is not something in a comic a once great writer wrote well past his prime and who holds little relevance today.

Especially since the same writer had her visit Harlem and wrote Luke Cage referring her to her as black/African.

Now, if the sad truth is that if some need to say she's "all races" despite all logical and factual evidence to the contrary, simply because they are uncomfortable with their fav heroine being African, then please hold that unproven, illogical, uneducated, and frankly delusional view. You obviously need it, and have trouble functioning in reality.

[Valeria Kementari]

Not that I agree wholly with the poster you're responding to...but...

If one were to actually read my earlier post concerning the "all races" of Storm argument, one would know I already referred to this scan that has already been proven to not even state the argument anywhere on the page. Reading comprehension please (looking at you Kieran)

ONE : NOWHERE ON THE PICTURE DOES THE DOCTOR SAY THAT STORM IS NOT BIOLOGICALLY AFRICAN/BLACK. Again, comprehension people. The doctor says her features "appear" to be an amalgam of all races, which, as one who has actually traveled knows, isn't surprising since Africans worldwide have various features. (Just like "gasp" white people!) Even some with blue and green eyes. Kenyans and Ethiopians are known to have Anglo Saxon features. Which comes to the second point....

TWO: HER MOTHER IS BLACK AFRICAN (KENYAN) AND HER FATHER IS AFRICAN AMERICAN. Please explain how you get a person of "all races" from two black parents. Please. Cause she's a mutant? Show me where it says that in the books. And if so, Cyclops, and Rogue must not be white. Her witch ancestry? Again, has nothing to do with race, and again, show me where it says that in the books.

PLEASE show me something besides the same page from twenty years ago that not only DOES NOT STATE SHE IS BIOLOGICALLY ALL RACES, BUT JUST THAT HER FEATURES APPEAR TO BE OF VARIOUS AESTHETICS, but is also refuted by current writers today that say she's black ( white ones, not just Hudlin, was not referring to him) but is not something a once great writer wrotefered

She's not black. Deal with it and move on. The scan is clear in its intent. Claremont word is LAW and cannot be retconned other than by Claremont himself.

[Sanji]

Why are people questioning Claremont?

[jabu46]

She's not black. Deal with it and move on. The scan is clear in its intent. Claremont word is LAW and cannot be retconned other than by Claremont himself.

Val, like I said, if you need to believe it than fine. Nowhere in the scan does the doctor Claremont wrote say she's not biologically black AFRICAN. Just that her features are an amalgam. I've observed you enough to know you're a little bit off, and use hyperbole instead of facts, so again, you're allowed.

[Valeria Kementari]

Val, like I said, if you need to believe it than fine. Nowhere in the scan does the doctor Claremont wrote say she's not biologically black AFRICAN. Just that her features are an amalgam. I've observed you enough to know you're a little bit off, so again, you're allowed.

Don't call me "Val", you haven't earned the right, "newbie". Specially if you're blind and not willing to see the truth. Storm is as black as Paula Deen is.

[jabu46]

Why are people questioning Claremont?

No question. Nowhere in the scan does Claremont show the doctor saying she's not biologically AFRICAN, just that HER FEATURES "appear" to be an amalgam of all races, which if one actually travels, would see that's what a lot of various Africans look like.

[jabu46]

Don't call me "Val", you haven't earned the right, "newbie". Specially if you're blind and not willing to see the truth. Storm is as black as Paula Deen is.

LOL...are you seriously trying to intimidate me?? That's the best you can do?

Unless you have the power to stop me, I will call you Val. That is your name. And stick to the topic. Use actual facts and logic instead of emotional hyperbole if you're capable, because despite what you need to believe, that scan does not show the doctor saying she is not AFRICAN. But again, whatever keeps you warm at night.