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    Quote Originally Posted by Auguste Dupin View Post
    I always knew you were taking all this way too personally.
    HA! Touche'. They woulndt have to worry about it though - if the EverQueen found out neither I nor the Amazons would get off that boat alive
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    Quote Originally Posted by tangentman View Post
    The story explicitly described Zeus making himself "irresistible" to his lovers. I'm certain that even Nu-Hippolyta has formidable willpower, but so does Carol Danvers. Personally, the entire Zeus/Hippolyta fling reminds me of the infamous Avengers #200 and Marcus' subtle confession of rape. I wonder if the next Wonder Woman writer will likewise give us a moment comparable with Carol's follow-up confrontation of her team in Avengers Annual #10? Where is the Carol Strickland essay for this particular touchy point?

    Personally, I've long had a bad taste in my mouth about this Azzarello decision. I hated seeing the feminist piece of Wonder Woman's origin discarded, especially since Azz defaulted to replacing the classic Amazons with marauding, misandrist sex pirates. Diana was unique in coming from a fatherless family, raised by a loving matriarchy. I know that didn't go over well with the "Nu Fans" and the people who'd long avoided this title.

    Fine. I could have lived with Hippolyta conceiving Diana with a man, but Zeus? Why NOT just go with Heracles? Hera hates him, so it's not as though you'd lose the revenge angle altogether. Going with Zeus just seems cliche and predictable. Many fans expressed hopes that Zeus WOULDN'T be the father, but Azz seems hellbent on alienating the longtime fans so he can bring over his 100 Bullets followers...moving along...

    What seems ultimately shameful about this choice is the way it plays into the sexist notion of "female rivalry". Wonder Woman has long promoted the principles of feminism and sisterhood. Diana and the Amazons believed in strong accord with other women. Setting up Hippolyta as the "other woman" and pitting her against Hera sabotages a long-standing bright point of Wonder Woman lore. It also convinces me that, although Azzarello artfully tells his story at many turns, he just doesn't GET Wonder Woman when all is said and done.
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    Here's irony...

    Nigh a year before Diana's birth, a MAN is discovered in the mountains of Paradise Island. A wild man howling his demand to meet the Queen of the Amazons in combat!

    Queen Hippolyta answers the challenge of this strange, savage warrior, cursed to wander the Earth, until bested in battle by a WOMAN. So, they BATTLE!!! Hippolyta defeats him, and they become lovers, ..only to find he is an amnesia-stricken Zeus! Upon learning he was condemned to wander the Earth by Hera, who stripped him of all memory of who he was, as an Olympian, Hippolyta abandons him, ..fearing reprisals from the Queen of the Gods!

    This kind of fear for the uncertain fate of her nation makes very plausible Hippolyta's hiding the truth about Diana's birth.

    So, Zeus and Hippolyta are brought together, because Hera's scheme to torment Zeus backfires and blows up in Hera's face! Yeah - I know that's probably not anywhere close to what Azzarello's planning, if he's planning anything. Just musing, here.

    Again...annoyed by the unfinished feel of this series and all the little, dangling, unsettled details.
    Last edited by MelDyer; 12-18-2012 at 07:57 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Outside_85 View Post
    Neither of them were brought up with the notion that they were gods and that humans were just insects that better worship them and provide amusement.
    So...gods are the result of bad parenting?

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