Hippolyta and ZEUS: What if they were lovers, while Zeus and Hera were separated?

[Outside_85]

Neither has Darksied, or any number of other villains. And yet the Justice League reguarly kick their arses.

Lex wasn't brought up as if he was a god either, but he often thinks of himself as the only important person on the planet.

[Auguste Dupin]

Exactly. Lex is not a good person either. Or the Penguin, or Vandal Savage or Black Adam. You can say that the gods were raised to be as they are, but if we applied that logic to the other beings with their level of power you might as well release all the Supervillains and sign the deed for Earth over to Apokalips.

Well, the difficulty with the Greek Gods in Greek mythology is that they aren't supervillains either. They are horrible people, but they serve a purpose as the incarnation of a concept. Without Appolo, no sun and all the problems it implies. Without Persephone, no spring. Without Hades, no place to go when you die. They are a necessary evil, in a way.

[DracoDracul]

Well, the difficulty with the Greek Gods in Greek mythology is that they aren't supervillains either. They are horrible people, but they serve a purpose as the incarnation of a concept. Without Appolo, no sun and all the problems it implies. Without Persephone, no spring. Without Hades, no place to go when you die. They are a necessary evil, in a way.

Of course that falls apart in the mythological kitchen sink that is the DC universe. Should the Greek gods be destroyed we could always get the less dickish (but equally incesty) Egyptian gods to do those jobs.

[dreyga2000]

Well, I think it's pretty self-centered. No human knows what it is to be a god. Their constitution is based on eons of existence and immense power. For someone to expect a god to follow codes of human ethics and morality is pretty amusing. And to what morality should they be held to? To the morality of present day western society? To the morality of ancient Greece? To the morality of humans 1,000 years from now?

So I stand by my original statement. It's silly.

100% agreed

[Auguste Dupin]

Of course that falls apart in the mythological kitchen sink that is the DC universe. Should the Greek gods be destroyed we could always get the less dickish (but equally incesty) Egyptian gods to do those jobs.

Yep, but just like the Justice League doesn't invade Apokolips to destitute Darkseid and restrain themselves into preventing him from invading Earth, superheros have no reason to attack Olympus until it poses a serious threat, even if they are completely dickish.

[DracoDracul]

Well that and the no kill policy most Leaguers have means they'd need to build a prison literally capable of holding a god when there has yet to be a prison in the DC universe capable of holding a murderous clown.

[Alatheus]

Neither has Darksied, or any number of other villains. And yet the Justice League reguarly kick their arses.

The Justice League isn't kicking their arses because of their morality or ethics. It is their actions that are problem. They present a threat.

[Auguste Dupin]

Well that and the no kill policy most Leaguers have means they'd need to build a prison literally capable of holding a god when there has yet to be a prison in the DC universe capable of holding a murderous clown.

Phantom Zone projector.

[brettc1]

Well, the difficulty with the Greek Gods in Greek mythology is that they aren't supervillains either. They are horrible people, but they serve a purpose as the incarnation of a concept. Without Appolo, no sun and all the problems it implies. Without Persephone, no spring. Without Hades, no place to go when you die. They are a necessary evil, in a way.

No, they are not.

The gods may have attached themselves to a belief about the physical universe, but there are plenty of stars that burn in the galaxy without having any life floating around them whatsoever. They may be the incanation of a concept, but the human beings that came up with that idea have only been around for 4 000 years and the sun has been burning a good deal longer. Vandal Savage could attest to that

[brettc1]

The Justice League isn't kicking their arses because of their morality or ethics. It is their actions that are problem. They present a threat.

So do the gods. Apollo and Artemis' actions tore up a town, and the latter murdered three people in the first issue. Eros indulges in mind control with no though to the conquences, effectively putting him in the same catergory as a drug dealer. Hera murdered Sirraca's mother and then the child herself.

[brettc1]

Phantom Zone projector.

Or Science cages on Oa.

[Auguste Dupin]

No, they are not.

The gods may have attached themselves to a belief about the physical universe, but there are plenty of stars that burn in the galaxy without having any life floating around them whatsoever. They may be the incanation of a concept, but the human beings that came up with that idea have only been around for 4 000 years and the sun has been burning a good deal longer. Vandal Savage could attest to that

I was referring to the Greek Myths, where the Gods created mankind and the action of the Titan Prometheus gave it fire and by extension technology, not the DCU.

[Outside_85]

So do the gods. Apollo and Artemis' actions tore up a town, and the latter murdered three people in the first issue. Eros indulges in mind control with no though to the conquences, effectively putting him in the same catergory as a drug dealer. Hera murdered Sirraca's mother and then the child herself.

And that puts them on the same level as Darkseid?

The Olympians conduct all their crimes on such a small level that it for the most parts goes unnoticed by most of the world. Not to mention, I kinda doubt it will be a victory for the good guys if the Justice League decided to try and storm Olympus.

Phantom Zone projector.

Or Science cages on Oa.

Neither of those would work, the Phantom Stranger only became stuck in the Phantom Zone because some of the inhabitants restrained him, he could leave without a problem after he was freed (possibly he could leave before that and was just waiting for Superman).
And the Sciencells get melted by plasma puke.

[Alatheus]

So do the gods. Apollo and Artemis' actions tore up a town, and the latter murdered three people in the first issue. Eros indulges in mind control with no though to the conquences, effectively putting him in the same catergory as a drug dealer. Hera murdered Sirraca's mother and then the child herself.

I don't get what your point is here. What does this have to do with the fact that a god's morality is different than a human being's morality? In fact you're only proving my point. And none of these "analogies" is equivalent to Zeus cheating on his sister-wife with Hippolyta.

[DracoDracul]

I don't get what your point is here. What does this have to do with the fact that a god's morality is different than a human being's morality? In fact you're only proving my point. And none of these "analogies" is equivalent to Zeus cheating on his sister-wife with Hippolyta.

It's to the point that from a human perspective most of the Greek gods are about on par with super villains. It really doesn't make much sense why a group like the Justice League wouldn't treat them as such. The fact that they don't see themselves as evil is irrelevant as virtually no one sees themselves as evil (even if the recognize their own actions as evil they will come up with justifications or excuses). To say the Greek gods should be excused for their actions is to say the Justice League is wrong to oppose Darksied as he too is a god.