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[7thangel]

why wouldn't they desire convenience and efficiency? especially if it can help improve their life?
people don't stop having wants and you shouldn't presume what they had or know before they were in a situation i.e. displacement and extreme poverty due to war or third party malfeasance


but ignoring that, you can't actually think you would have some lazy carefree life behind bars where you don't have to worry about money (ignoring the importance of canteen/commissary/care packages/ in both gov't run and private run prisons, especially privatized ones, or the ones that make you work and/or pay for most things),
food (unless you don't care about the quality or the potential of having it taken away from you),
access (despite gov't cuts which lead to things like library, yard time and gym services being the first to go, and private prisons sometimes not even giving those things),
or safety (from both fellow inmates and the guards), do you?

even if the UK had a prison like that one in Norway, you have no control over anything

as far as this comic goes, they're in a real shitty situation. communes with better resources and more knowledgeable like-minded people have failed more times than not. the majority, even those on Kitty's side aren't built for subsistence living.

[Robbie_Jee]

why wouldn't they want convenience and efficiency?

trying not to conflate a rural village or town with starvation due to war or famine, i'm curious as to why you think the generic 'they' would rather walk a hundred miles as opposed to going by car or truck (or even an old school animal driven vehicle/means).

It all depends on whether they understand it. And because the brain can only rationalise with the information it receives, if they have no experience of it, they simply cannot have any desire of it, nor an understanding of its benefits. Like I said in my post you quoted:

Starving children in Africa wouldn't do Anything for what we got when they have no clue what we have, wouldn't know what a TV or a car is, if they've never seen anything like that before. They just wouldn't understand it. They have absolutely no desire for what we have if they have no clue what life is like outside their environment. They live in misery because of a lack of human needs.

But yes, of course they want convenience and efficiency. So give them a clean water supply free of charge! No? (I don't mean to sound aggressive, but it is a serious question)

[Robbie_Jee]

but ignoring that, you can't actually think you would have some lazy carefree life behind bars where you don't have to worry about money (ignoring the importance of canteen/commissary/care packages/ in both gov't run and private run prisons, especially privatized ones, or the ones that make you work and/or pay for most things),
food (unless you don't care about the quality or the potential of having it taken away from you),
access (despite gov't cuts which lead to things like library, yard time and gym services being the first to go, and private prisons sometimes not even giving those things),
or safety (from both fellow inmates and the guards), do you?

I was pretty much just thinking out loud.

You make a good point, but you'd still get free meals and water, and shelter, and medical care for nothing. It's just a matter of opinion, but I would honestly do it for six months, (that's if I didn't get a criminal record) just so that I could have the spare time to get bigger than I've ever been. And I could read SO MUCH!! They are hundreds of books I want to read. But I was mostly just talking hypothetically.

I'd be a good inmate too. I know lots of people who have been to prison. Some young'ns too who aren't even 20 yet and have been in twice. But they're good lads really. It's like that in the UK. You get in one fight and you're nicked for a few months. Of course, it's all to do with what prison you go to. I wasn't talking penitentiary.

even if the UK had a prison like that one in Norway, you have no control over anything

as far as this comic goes, they're in a real shitty situation. communes with better resources and more knowledgeable like-minded people have failed more times than not. the majority, even those on Kitty's side aren't built for subsistence living.

So you haven't heard about the Sentient Seed?

[7thangel]

you keep saying they wouldn't understand it or that they have no experience with it. you vastly underestimate how much 'these places' and the people there, have access and experience with , not to mention learn

you can't give someone a clean water supply if it's not there, you can provide the tools for water treatment and low cost purification and info on things like better and more effective sanitation.

which brings me back to the x-men, without anybody having the knowledge of setting up or maintaining a proper water supply or sanitation system outside of what was provided from FEMA, this is far from being a good deal. they will need outside help

[7thangel]

I was pretty much just thinking out loud.

You make a good point, but you'd still get free meals and water, and shelter, and medical care for nothing. It's just a matter of opinion, but I would honestly do it for six months, (that's if I didn't get a criminal record) just so that I could have the spare time to get bigger than I've ever been. And I could read SO MUCH!! They are hundreds of books I want to read. But I was mostly just talking hypothetically.

I'd be a good inmate too. I know lots of people who have been to prison. Some young'ns too who aren't even 20 yet and have been in twice. But they're good lads really. It's like that in the UK. You get in one fight and you're nicked for a few months. Of course, it's all to do with what prison you go to. I wasn't talking penitentiary.

jail (prior to trial and/or transfer to the pen) or pen (after being found guilty), your safety isn't guaranteed, and if they haven't cut back on things like the library, yard time or the weights in the yard, you would have a better chance of getting them in the pen as opposed to jail.

but, you can always try and see for yourself. keep in mind the current crisis in UK penal system, like overcrowding, which makes things much worse (heads up, things like 3 or 4 in a cell designed for 2 means people are sleeping on the floor), budget cuts, and of course, the most dangerous of all, privatization, where your safety and the things you need (food, clothing, etc) and want are weighed against profit (no need to say which wins out).

[neoblackdragon]

I really dislike Nomi. He entire thing is that she wants to be the Alpha girl when the easiest solution is that she could just leave and take her chances. I'm hoping they move past this soon because these guys need to do something productive.

[Robbie_Jee]

you keep saying they wouldn't understand it or that they have no experience with it. you vastly underestimate how much 'these places' and the people there, have access and experience with , not to mention learn

I don't think you quite saw the 'If they have no experience with it.' in my post.

you can't give someone a clean water supply if it's not there, you can provide the tools for water treatment and low cost purification and info on things like better and more effective sanitation.

I agree. But why not massive industrial water purification systems all around the borders of the continent and also within the continent? I've never understood the reluctance of nations investing in energy supply. All over Australia, no matter where you live, there is a shortage of water. And in America, there's miles and miles of uninhabitable desert, as far as the eye can see, and yet there aren't endless rows of solar panels all along it, providing an endless supply of electricity for potentially every state.

which brings me back to the x-men, without anybody having the knowledge of setting up or maintaining a proper water supply or sanitation system outside of what was provided from FEMA, this is far from being a good deal. they will need outside help

They do have outside help. They have refuge. And as for water, they have Storm.

jail (prior to trial and/or transfer to the pen) or pen (after being found guilty), your safety isn't guaranteed, and if they haven't cut back on things like the library, yard time or the weights in the yard, you would have a better chance of getting them in the pen as opposed to jail.

The outside world's pretty rough too, y'know. In prison, they would still feed and water me, and would adhere to every single one of my basic human needs.

but, you can always try and see for yourself. keep in mind the current crisis in UK penal system, like overcrowding, which makes things much worse (heads up, things like 3 or 4 in a cell designed for 2 means people are sleeping on the floor), budget cuts, and of course, the most dangerous of all, privatization, where your safety and the things you need (food, clothing, etc) and want are weighed against profit (no need to say which wins out).

Not a lot different than in real life then. :D

I think you're perhaps taking this a little too far. I said I was pondering, hypothetically, thinking out loud, etc.

I don't want to resort to saying anything cliche, but I'd be fine in prison. Seriously. Most people find it hard, but it's all psychological. Everyone I speak to who went there say: "It's actually alright." The prisons in the UK for first offenders are mostly populated with a bunch of lads who just want to have a good laugh, and you just go along with that. Most people that come out usually say it is a bit of a laugh in prison. I don't know about women ones though. Can't say I know of any girls who've been.

[HeroxMatt2.0]

I really dislike Nomi. He entire thing is that she wants to be the Alpha girl when the easiest solution is that she could just leave and take her chances. I'm hoping they move past this soon because these guys need to do something productive.

I agree. I said it over in the Review thread, but to me, it seems like Nomi is just leeching off of Kitty's success. If she truly was against this Utopia, then just go. The fact that she'll get hunted by the humans/soldiers/whatever if she left will just be all the more reason to follow her beliefs.

[Froggy]

I agree. I said it over in the Review thread, but to me, it seems like Nomi is just leeching off of Kitty's success. If she truly was against this Utopia, then just go. The fact that she'll get hunted by the humans/soldiers/whatever if she left will just be all the more reason to follow her beliefs.

so is this the start of the "Nomi is a hater" meme?

[HeroxMatt2.0]

I'd be in support of that!

[Froggy]

I'd be in support of that!

What picture would we use though?

Do we get an image of Kitty with her mouth open saying "WHY YOU MAD THOUGH?" and juxtapose it with an image of Nomi looking angry?

[HeroxMatt2.0]

What picture would we use though?

Do we get an image of Kitty with her mouth open saying "WHY YOU MAD THOUGH?" and juxtapose it with an image of Nomi looking angry?

Probably not helpful, but this image just looks so funny to me.



But I'll leave the meme-ing to more comical minds than mine.