LIVE: Gillen Bands Together The "Young Avengers"

[NexusTenebrare]

Audience tends not to overlap what your comic book audience wants has little bearing on the movie roster or tv show.
If Marvel does such a show they are going to match up more with the Avengers Movie and probably have a Spider-man Analogue. So if they did such a show I would expect an analogue for all the Movie 6. Hawkeye and Captain America would be pretty obvious. Thor you can use Thunderstrike. Hulk has two options (Skarr or Lyra). Iron Man depends Cho, Victor and maybe Nova (Loeb being a fan of his new kid Nova and all). Widow is the one that is difficult.

What is your basis for that?
They're making a cartoon with Red Hulk in it.
What movie is that analogous with? That's straight from the comics.
Not all of Marvel's non-comic properties are based on each other.

[JaggedFel]

That was before Loeb took control. Unless you are talking about the Hulk Family Show which is just suppose to be fun.

Look I am just saying if they do a Young Teen show which is unlikely since they already have a Spidey Show. They would probably use analogues closer in line to the Movie Avengers much like they are doing for their doing in that Avengers Show that is replacing Avengers EMH. Its speculation obviously.

[Majin Gojira]

Widow is the one that is difficult.

Carmilla Black/Scorpion II or Quake with all her SHIELD stuff.

[Just Is]

That was before Loeb took control. Unless you are talking about the Hulk Family Show which is just suppose to be fun.

Look I am just saying if they do a Young Teen show which is unlikely since they already have a Spidey Show. They would probably use analogues closer in line to the Movie Avengers much like they are doing for their doing in that Avengers Show that is replacing Avengers EMH. Its speculation obviously.

The original Young Avengers were already filled the roles if you were going to base it off the movie characters. Patriot (Captain America), Iron Lad (Iron Man), Asgardian/Wiccan (Thor), Hawkeye (Hawkeye), Hulkling (Hulk). There wasn't a Widow stand in but it wouldn't really be necessary considering that most of the other movie characters have semi-stand-ins (plus Stature would at least be another female). Plus, you could easily have a TV original character created as a stand-in for her (ala Young Justice's Aqualad and Artemis). Sure they eventually don't match up to those analogies, but when they first appeared, they did (as in, what they wanted to appear as).

[yanapryde]

I wonder what, if any, hierarchy system might transpire with this incarnation of the Young Avengers.

Iron Lad was their first leader, followed by Patriot and then Hawkeye.
With Gillen's allusion to the O3 being the younger members (MAC and No being a bit older) and possibly enamored a bit by their experience and accomplishments (partly due to their proximity in age) I wonder if that would sway leadership roles, if any are necessary.

Also, with Kate's clear free-lancing of sorts (alongside Senior Hawkeye) and Teddy's alleged free-lancing (behind Billy's back), will those factors pose as obstacles or hinderances in any capacity?

Do MAC and No automatically achieve status based solely on seniority and experience?
Or will Kate rise up as leader once again, undeterred by the loss of teammates in their most recent team adventure?

[Songbird/Diamondback]

I wonder what, if any, hierarchy system might transpire with this incarnation of the Young Avengers.

Iron Lad was their first leader, followed by Patriot and then Hawkeye.
With Gillen's allusion to the O3 being the younger members (MAC and No being a bit older) and possibly enamored a bit by their experience and accomplishments (partly due to their proximity in age) I wonder if that would sway leadership roles, if any are necessary.

Also, with Kate's clear free-lancing of sorts (alongside Senior Hawkeye) and Teddy's alleged free-lancing (behind Billy's back), will those factors pose as obstacles or hinderances in any capacity?

Do MAC and No automatically achieve status based solely on seniority and experience?
Or will Kate rise up as leader once again, undeterred by the loss of teammates in their most recent team adventure?

To be honest? I don't think this team will have a leader.

[JaggedFel]

Not that it would matter too much Loki is going to be playing puppet master anyway.

Still it's hard to tell until we see the dynamic. I assume it defaults to Kate as I dont really see MAC or Loki as lead from te front types.

[preppistonpav]

I wonder what, if any, hierarchy system might transpire with this incarnation of the Young Avengers.

Iron Lad was their first leader, followed by Patriot and then Hawkeye.
With Gillen's allusion to the O3 being the younger members (MAC and No being a bit older) and possibly enamored a bit by their experience and accomplishments (partly due to their proximity in age) I wonder if that would sway leadership roles, if any are necessary.

Also, with Kate's clear free-lancing of sorts (alongside Senior Hawkeye) and Teddy's alleged free-lancing (behind Billy's back), will those factors pose as obstacles or hinderances in any capacity? Do MAC and No automatically achieve status based solely on seniority and experience? Or will Kate rise up as leader once again, undeterred by the loss of teammates in their most recent team adventure?

To be honest? I don't think this team will have a leader.

In a sense, I agree with S/D because I don't think this team is going to function in a strictly traditional sense. If this book is about what it means to be an eighteen year old in the Marvel Universe, I see these guys getting together to beat up bad guys through friendships and/or blind fate - not to mention kid!Loki of course - because that's how cliques are formed, and that seems to be a major theme that Gillen is throwing out to us: these guys are like a popular clique of superyoungadults. I mean, we're going to be seeing them in a diner for Peter Parker's sake! How youngadult can you get?! So when are young protags are hitting the streets, it'll be as a group of friends, where there's no such thing as official leadership.

That does mean, of course, that cliques don't develop power structures with themselves. So as far as the leadership goes, I would hazard a guess that when all these freelancers get together with their non-freelancer buddies to kick ass, MAC and Noh are going to be able to sway the hearts of their brethren. If I may use a bit of pop culture in simile, it feels like MAC is going to totally be the Raphael of the group - outspoken, powerful; in short, a force to be reckoned with. I think her teammates will follow her at times because of that. As far as Noh goes, it sounds as though Noh's characterization is going to go back somewhat to what it was like in Marvel Boy. For those of you who don't remember, the guy is supposed to be a stone cold fox.

A stone cold fox with laserguns. From an advanced society. He can do all k!ndsa "shutchomouth!"

These guys are going to follow Noh's zen-fascist advice; he's going to pick all the coolest spots to hang out, he's got the biggest TV, he listens to to all the best Kymellian horsemusic; or whathaveyou.

Perhaps we'll even see MAC and Noh in slightly antagonistic roles when the team has a big blow up! (That'll be fun.)




All the above is moot, though, because when push comes to shove and it looks like everyone's about to die, that everyone will be turning to Kate Bishop to take charge. Her turn under Fraction in Hawkeye paints her as ubercapable and supercool to boot.

-Pav, who is very excited to start reading this book so we can see what Gillen as planned for us...

[JaggedFel]

Really I figure they turn to Loki. Who better to come up with a great strategy?