Moondragon vs. Emma Frost

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Didn't she need Cerebra to switch minds with Xavier?

Yes I believe she needed it to switch minds with him quickly. She was only in the machine for a few seconds before Emma snapped her neck. And by then, Charles was already in her body and vice-versa.

Earlier, when she was mind-raping Charles, she was carrying on a conversation with him as she was doing so, while Charles was resisting. Charles had threatened to blow his brains out, which showed he was capable of fighting her long enough to foil her plans. But then again, she wasn't truly giving it all while she was down in South America - it was all part of her plan to be captured and switch bodies with him when she actually got to the X-mansion.

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Cassandra never casually beat Xavier or Phoenix in terms psychic power. Jean was coming apart at the seams when Cassandra showed up but that was largely due to the nanosentinels and having to empty and prepare her brain enough to try and save the Professor's diseased mind.

As for Cassandra's interactions with Xavier, she went into his mind when he was completely unprepared and he couldn't get her out without resorting to threatening to shoot himself. It's not "pwning" him by any stretch of the imagination.

Yes she has.
The incidence of Cassandra pwning Charles and Jean that I was referring to happened BEFORE the nano-sentinels had started making the X-men sick and before Jean was "coming apart at the seams" from emptying her mind of Charles's memories. WAY Before. Initially, when she broke out of the Gravity bubble, Charles and Jean both tried to attack her telepathically. Charles said he was trying to lock down her motor functions, while Jean said she was trying attack her mind, but was all a big hole, like a "big migraine" of sorts.
Their attacks were not phasing Cassandra in the LEAST. She knocked Charles on his ass, then proceeded to mind-rape Jean, to the point where she was blubbering and drooling.
And true he wasn't prepped for her. But his powers were being amplified ten-fold by Cerebra, and he couldn't do anything to her; all he could to was try and resist for as long as possible.

[Zagreus]

Moondragon, the fact that she can rival Thanos ends this.



Emma, they both can look good, but Emma edges out in the end.



Emma's diamond form means that Moondragon can't hurt her physically, or telepathically due to her telepathic immunity in that form.

Yeah, that's pretty much how I'd see these matches going as well. imo: For 1) Sounds like Moondragon has better TP feats than Emma, 2) Emma imo has the better overall charisma than Heather and will probably win out in the fashion show and 3) I think Emma can last an assault long enough to switch to diamond form and shut that down, be immune and the party's over for Moondragon.

[Muadib]

Hmm,

reading the volume again, i see that the injection could very well be the nanosentinels. I assumed it was kick, as i wasnt sure why Cassandra was casually defeating Xavier. She's his twin, though she has access to the Onslaught powers he keeps suppressed, so logically i thought that she was using kick to amp her abilities. Injecting the nanosentinels make sense too.

She never showed that level of power in the Here Comes Tomorrow arc, where she is casually defeated by SublimeBeast. So i thought using Kick explained that. With Sublime as the major villain of the run, and being in contact with Magneto, i thought it was logical that Cassandra was also supported by Sublime and using Kick.

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Hmm,

reading the volume again, i see that the injection could very well be the nanosentinels. I assumed it was kick, as i wasnt sure why Cassandra was casually defeating Xavier. She's his twin, though she has access to the Onslaught powers he keeps suppressed, so logically i thought that she was using kick to amp her abilities. Injecting the nanosentinels make sense too.

She never showed that level of power in the Here Comes Tomorrow arc, where she is casually defeated by SublimeBeast. So i thought using Kick explained that. With Sublime as the major villain of the run, and being in contact with Magneto, i thought it was logical that Cassandra was also supported by Sublime and using Kick.

In the Here-comes-tomorrow arc, Cassandra had been released from Stuff after being reprogrammed. When she was being trapped in Stuff, her mind was being "reduced to the status of a pocket calculator". So you can see naturally, why she wouldn't exactly be at her former power levels after her mind was broken down to basically nothingness for years and then rebuilt with the Charles Xavier ideology basically forcibly molded into her mind.

Kick was Sublime basically altering itself SPECIFICALLY for mutant physiology. Cassandra is not a mutant. Kick wouldn't do anything to her.

And getting back on track, Emma's diamond form gives her NEAR immunity to telepathy, as she indeed was able to block Cassandra Nova from reading her mind when she offered up Stuff to pose as Cassandra's real body, which Cassandra did fall for. This was basically the only way they managed to stop her, using this plot device, since even after the Phoenix and Xavier attacked her together, ripping her out of Charles's body, she still wasn't destroyed.

However, as it was revealed later in Astonishing X-men, Cassandra DID manage to mind-rape Emma while Emma was in diamond form, by forcing a thought of guilt into her head, which sprouted like a seed, and grew until it eventually drove her insane to the point where she was going to free Cassie from Stuff.

To this day, I think Cassandra Nova is the only person to have actually mind-raped Emma WHILE Emma was in her diamond form. And she did this without Xavier, Emma, or Phoenix Jean detecting it.

But as far as the fight goes with Moondragon, I do believe it's very likely Emma can turn to diamond form to block Moondragon telepathically, but Moondragon also has some telekinesis. Plus if Emma tries to go hand-to-hand with Moondragon, Moondragon has the skill advantage, since she's fought the likes of Mantis, and is basically a top-tier martial artist.